VV sales section-good/bad idea?

**benjamin hatton** · 15-01-2007, 09:13 AM

thought I'd start a thread here as i'm not sure everyone will see the mini-debate started in the trades section:

what do people think about a seperate sales section on the board??
personally, I don't see a problem if it's kept away from the trades section and has some kind of restrictions ie. regular posters only or a small fee to post there...

**TOWNY** · 15-01-2007, 09:17 AM

Yeah, i would be interested in that concept. Was thinking of doing a set sale type list this year, this would make it a lot "easier"

**left hand corner** · 15-01-2007, 09:25 AM

Yes, good idea for 'regular' posters only.

**folkishienne** · 15-01-2007, 09:32 AM

It seems strange that VV is a record collectors site that does not allow for said collectors to communicate what records they may have for sale. The trades section seems to be used by many to sift the chaff from their collections. I'd certainly rather give my money for a primo piece to a fellow Vulture than some faceless bod on the net.
I do understand there must be some security measures but posting up an 'items for sale' list or even an ebay link (Which would offer bay protection to the buyer at least) seems reasonable. Also i think a clear outline on grading would be good so everyone is straight on whats what...?
I've often wondered what some of the VV brigade are selling and most specifically what i've missed. I know it's been discussed before but I personally feel this one should go to the vote....

**benjamin hatton** · 15-01-2007, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by folkishienne

I know it's been discussed before but I personally feel this one should go to the vote....

yeah, me too...I would have put a poll thingywhatsit in this thread but I didn't know how to

**wickerman** · 15-01-2007, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by folkishienne

I've often wondered what some of the VV brigade are selling and most specifically what i've missed. I know it's been discussed before but I personally feel this one should go to the vote....

like that Air 45

**wickerman** · 15-01-2007, 09:55 AM

also think that it´s a good idea but i feel its up to the most active ones/the oldest members to decide

**Filthy Rich** · 15-01-2007, 10:26 AM

I can't see why not. I just assumed that there was some kind of legal thing where the moderators would have to take responsibility or give some kind of guarantee and that they were unwilling to do so. If there is no reason like that I really don't see why there shouldn't be a sales section.

**Campag Record** · 15-01-2007, 10:31 AM

Yep, I'd be behind that idea all the way. I usually don't have any quality trades so don't bother contacting vultures who are offering quality records.

**Little Jimmy Oddman** · 15-01-2007, 10:32 AM

I don't think anyone would particularly mind a sales section if it was well policed. However, I for one wouldn't want to give up any of my time to make sure rubbish know nothings (or even over eager or misguided posters) don't ruin it. I wouldn't expect Sermad or Sie Vulture to either.

**loosejoints** · 15-01-2007, 10:33 AM

Sounds good to me, there again I'm only an "Assagai"

**mr sayers** · 15-01-2007, 10:46 AM

i think it would be cool as long as your a regular poster.

**jakartajive** · 15-01-2007, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by Filthy Rich

There is some kind of legal thing whereby the moderators have to take responsibility and give some kind of guarantee

This is my point exactly.
And hanging's too good for them too.
Briung back the birch is what I say.
And a decent stint in the army.
That'll sort this whole mess out.

**loosejoints** · 15-01-2007, 10:48 AM

Thanks! to be honest i'd probably be more likely to buy on it than sell anyway.

**wickerman** · 15-01-2007, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by loosejoints

Thanks! to be honest i'd probably be more likely to buy on it than sell anyway.

FOR ME ITS BOTH! would love to se benjamin hattons lists for an example!

**benjamin hatton** · 15-01-2007, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by wickerman

FOR ME ITS BOTH! would love to se benjamin hattons lists for an example!

don't get too excited, they're not that great

i'll send you a list of spares etc though if you want?

**folkishienne** · 15-01-2007, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by Little Jimmy Oddman

I don't think anyone would particularly mind a sales section if it was well policed. However, I for one wouldn't want to give up any of my time to make sure rubbish know nothings (or even over eager or misguided posters) don't ruin it. I wouldn't expect Sermad or Sie Vulture to either.

Fair comment, and I can see how things could get spoiled, however, if the seller has 100+ posts surely this would be a reasonable safeguard?

**wickerman** · 15-01-2007, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by benjamin hatton

don't get too excited, they're not that great

i'll send you a list of spares etc though if you want?

please do, (but only for trading right now

)

**benjamin hatton** · 15-01-2007, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by wickerman

please do, (but only for trading right now

)

cool, will PM you when I get home...

**john stapleton** · 15-01-2007, 11:20 AM

Personally I think it's fine as it is.

But then, I like the Beatles more than the Beach Boys, so what do I know?

**vinylism** · 15-01-2007, 01:16 PM

i think a sales and / or trades section would be very welcome, assuming it's not too much of a burden for the site administrators (legal responsibility, etc). other sites seem to manage this without any obvious problems, though.

i actually like the trades section, and it should still be available for those who want it - i've had some great trades from it - but i do think a sales section as well would be a useful addition.

**Little Jimmy Oddman** · 15-01-2007, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by john stapleton

But then, I like the Beatles more than the Beach Boys, so what do I know?

Damn, I didn't know we've got to choose.

**wickerman** · 15-01-2007, 01:22 PM

I choose Beegees!

**SirSlim** · 15-01-2007, 01:27 PM

One reason (amongst many) why this site is great are the trades/wants sections.

Bringing cash into the equation may well spoil the show...

**benjamin hatton** · 15-01-2007, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by vinylism

i actually like the trades section, and it should still be available for those who want it - i've had some great trades from it - but i do think a sales section as well would be a useful addition.

yeah definately, I wouldn't want a sales section to replace the trades section in anyway, I just think the option would be good, I'd personally still post in the trades as much as sales I reckon...

**benjamin hatton** · 15-01-2007, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by SirSlim

One reason (amongst many) why this site is great are the trades/wants sections.

Bringing cash into the equation may well spoil the show...

well this is why I think any kind of sales section should be kept seperate from the trades section, so that the trades could carry on as it is....

**Little Jimmy Oddman** · 15-01-2007, 01:48 PM

I'm guessing the trades might start drying up if there's the easy opportunity of selling stuff...

**Hadrian Elephant** · 15-01-2007, 01:49 PM

I have always been a fierce critic of any proposed VV sales forum, but am warming to the idea after moving house and realising the vast amount of records I own that I do not listen to.

**highland cow** · 15-01-2007, 01:49 PM

I've both bought and traded records with fellow Vultures and I think it works pretty well as it is - using PM's.

I like It when a Vulture who contributes regularly to the forum says "I've got a new list - PM Me."

Having pages of Set Sales takes it to a whole new level and I dread to think what kind of Cyber Riff-Raff It would attract.

PM me if anyone has some nice 45's for sale.

**Sie Vulture** · 15-01-2007, 01:53 PM

Guys, we have been here before... I guess most things in life are cyclic - music, fashion etc, and I'll add questions about this topic to that growing list!

Jimmy Oddman's / Filthy Rich's comments regarding "legal responsibility / administration / fees / time spent undertaking moderation of the forum" really sum up my feelings on this.

We have stated over the years that we are not interested in getting involved in a sales section, for all the reasons given above.

The forum has had a trades section for around 3-4 years without issue and there are no current plans to change this arrangement. We keep a check on it and moderation of the posts is relatively simple.

Before I get a dozen replies about this, toys thrown out of prams etc, please reflect that if it was an easy thing to go and do, run, administrate etc etc, then why don't a whole host of other amateur/fan sites/forums run these things, preferring to leave it to the professionals, with both the time and infrastructure at their disposal, instead...???