Ownership! (Beaver Holdout Comp Related)

**Col Wolfe** · 11-04-2007, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by jakartajive

What I really worry about, though, is whether or not I'll ever get away with playing stuff on Rich Hero's famous CD mixes out ever again - even though I had some of them already!!

yo hero ultimate biter

**Hayes** · 11-04-2007, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by jakartajive

in the same way as Nina Simone ends up having a bleeding yoghurt connotation

**Striker** · 11-04-2007, 10:52 AM

let it be clear....

i like soulstrut vey much

i am in no way getting at dealers Wallace, just asking if this strange projection of ownership for a mass produced item extended to them as well as the dreaded DJ

beavers cd was great and drew's was nice too.

Dante knows a great deal about records, he is also good at finding records that not many people know about & subsequently presenting them to the CD buying & internet surfing public

nobody owns anything....
all property is theft....
burn the past...
i'm going to give all my records away....
no i'm not, i'm going to smash them all...

**Rich Hero** · 11-04-2007, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Col Wolfe

yo hero ultimate biter

Yep!

Wooly nailed it.

**peretti** · 11-04-2007, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by Beaver

I'm not bothered about the Snidey comments, it was more the constant arse licking of Dante that gets to me, homage to Dante, do me a favour, I just try to share tunes that inspire me and that I think others enjoy, if people think they are cack that's their opinion and I have no problem with that, but all the ownership and unknown tune bollocks is the biggest pile of horse shit I've ever heard in my life, I got that Expressway EP which I have never seen and introduced a few people to Blue Evening which will appear on the VV Flute comp, but to say I discovered it is rubbish, I got it from an eBay seller, who got it from someone else, who got it from someone else, etc etc etc....

As I stated in my Hold Out CD post on this board, it's all about sharing the music in my opinion, I think I can hold my own and know a bit, but I'm not a secret fu*king squirrel who thinks he's above the law, which certain 'HEADS' on the Soulstrut forum obviously do? Thing is the original guy who slated me has gone very quiet since I asked him to post his amazing mix of UNKNOWNS, one beautiful English word sums it up perfectly, WANKERS!!

The Soulstrut cult of Dante does get a bit ridiculous at times but that's individual board members - I don't think he would claim to 'own' any of those discoveries and he strikes me as pretty modest despite his phenomenal knowledge. He always seems happy to share what he knows.

**Beaver** · 11-04-2007, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by peretti

The Soulstrut cult of Dante does get a bit ridiculous at times but that's individual board members - I don't think he would claim to 'own' any of those discoveries and he strikes me as pretty modest despite his phenomenal knowledge. He always seems happy to share what he knows.

Oh I have no problem with Dante, he will willingly give across info if you ask, it's all the plums who hail him as some sort of Vinyl Guru that annoy me!!

**babycart** · 11-04-2007, 01:17 PM

If I had a gremlin showing Biggie Smalls shagging a dam-building rodent with a speech bubble saying 'BIG UP THE BEAVER', now would be when I'd use it. .

**Viva Chiba** · 11-04-2007, 01:35 PM

Just finished perusing that SS thread. . . amusingly nationalistic dross from the yanks about "our" music and how most of the ill sick raer new (meaning 40 year old) "discoveries" are coming from that side of the pond.

Largely due to US cultural imperialism or globalisation, if you will, the funk has been disseminated, imitated, and revamped throughout the globe, emerging from the majority of nations. . . just looking at our sector of the sphere, there must be masses of European stuff waiting to be dug up. . . individually I managed to find a stack of reasonably interesting and presumably - for the most part - unknown gear for my Xmas mix out of one small corner of Sarf Laaandun. The amount of material out there - especially in countries like Japan where there is masses of great, groovy pop which is almost entirely unknown to western collectors - is incredibly vast.

I guess the fella was referring explicitly to US soul but err it's still a sadly insular comment to be making.

One nation under a groove innit.

**Little Jimmy Oddman** · 11-04-2007, 01:41 PM

Toy Story 2 was on at the weekend and I quote:

"Woody, you're not a collector's item. You're a child's play thing. You...are...A TOY!"

**beddoes** · 11-04-2007, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by Viva Chiba

Just finished perusing that SS thread. . . amusingly nationalistic dross from the yanks about "our" music and how most of the ill sick raer new (meaning 40 year old) "discoveries" are coming from that side of the pond.

Disturbingly, that was Dante. He's a nice guy, so I'm not sure where he was coming from with that stuff...

**antwhiplash2** · 11-04-2007, 03:29 PM

Are you sure you read this on another forum, or did you really overhear it while passing a school playground (not suggesting that you spend your days hanging around school playgrounds

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**SARGE** · 11-04-2007, 03:47 PM

I Was A Mod Before Any Of Themins So I Own All That Shit, Its Mine I Tell Ya.

**babycart** · 11-04-2007, 03:59 PM

When I worked at my school disco in the 80s I can remember being furious that that Raybanned pig on the cover of the ‘Now That’s What I Call Music’ comps got all the credit for discoveries of mine like ‘Don Quixote’ and ‘ Rain or Shine’.

**Hadrian Elephant** · 11-04-2007, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Viva Chiba

Just finished perusing that SS thread. . . amusingly nationalistic dross from the yanks about "our" music and how most of the ill sick raer new (meaning 40 year old) "discoveries" are coming from that side of the pond.

To be fair US dealers/collectors are probably pretty sick of hearing from UK northern soul bods about all the 'discoveries' they made in the 70's & 80's in the states.

The whole 'I discovered this record' ethos is what northern was built on and continues to be about 30+ years later, so it's not unique to the yanks by any stretch of the imagination.

**babycart** · 11-04-2007, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Hadrian Elephant

To be fair US dealers/collectors are probably pretty sick of hearing from UK northern soul bods about all the 'discoveries' they made in the 70's & 80's in the states.

The whole 'I discovered this record' ethos is what northern was built on and continues to be about 30+ years later, so it's not unique to the yanks by any stretch of the imagination.

A good point, although DJ rarities were just one aspect of the Northern scene. I had no idea about all that when I was a teen soulboy - it was the music (regardless of rarity) the dancing and the clothes. It is, however, central to the deep funk thing, and one of the things that puts me off it.

The attitude is more understandable when it's beat diggers who are rushing to be the first to find and use samples or breaks, and a good sample can make the difference to your musical career. In that case it's obvious that accusations of biting will start flying around. They always have. But it's stupid to apply that to someone posting up a mix of good music.

**antwhiplash2** · 11-04-2007, 05:32 PM

Which means that Fatboy Slim must be the devil incarnate, all his samples had been discovered/owned in prehistoric times

Surely the guys who recorded the said records discovered it first, or their A&R or record label boss, or distributor, or rep, or the guy working in the record store, surely these jumped up idiots were pretty low down the list to start with themselves, so in their own logic they're doin' exactly the same thang