Ghosts

**ginghamkitchen** · 13-10-2009, 02:45 PM

How do you feel about them?

Let democracy decide!

**eric-adams** · 13-10-2009, 03:00 PM

ive seen 4 and heard a lot more

**babycart** · 13-10-2009, 03:02 PM

My great aunt is one.

**Brass Monkey** · 13-10-2009, 03:11 PM

I don't believe but then I don't not believe. The burden of proof here lays squarely with the ghosts to prove themselves. It's a bit like the Isle of White, until I went there I was undecided as to whether or not it actually existed.

If I had to pick a favourite kind of someone elses ghost it would definately be a chap with his head under his arm, or those fellas in Lord o Rings - they're pretty cool.

**ginghamkitchen** · 13-10-2009, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by eric-adams

ive seen 4 and heard a lot more

The thing that strikes me about ghosts is that they’re usually seen by the sort of people you’d expect to see ghosts, if you know what I mean: grieving people, troubled people, teenagers, ghost hunters, Goths and death metallers all see ghosts on a regular basis.

No offence, Eric, but because of your interests in all things dark, you may be far more receptive to a ghostly experience: whether this is because you are more open to see something, or more open to think you’ve seen something is a matter for debate.

What were your experiences, what did you think at the time and what do you think now?

**BestDressedChicken** · 13-10-2009, 03:12 PM

I went for the first one 'cos its more errrrmm .... romantic.

**The Foodel Bird** · 13-10-2009, 03:34 PM

Ghosts are rubbish. Used to see loads of them in the 70s on things like Arthur C Clarkes Mysterious World but then they dissapeared. What's happened to the good old 70's poltergiest? They've all retired!

Now its all about Yvette Fielding taking Girls Aloud around Warwick Castle to look for 'orbs' and that scouse chap Derek A-liar talking to himself.

**eric-adams** · 13-10-2009, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by ginghamkitchen

No offence, Eric, but because of your interests in all things dark, you may be far more receptive to a ghostly experience: whether this is because you are more open to see something, or more open to think you’ve seen something is a matter for debate.

well, my interests in all things dark comes from when i was a kid and i got scared of everything and saw the ghost of my grandad the week after he died. so the interest came from trying to understand why im so scared of everything... and i suppose that lead me to being interested in darker music and lead me to be a right miserable git

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ive seen my grandad walk past me when i was 9, i saw someone walk throught my bedroom while i was listening to music in the dark as a teenager, saw something at the top of the stairs stairing at me, but also felt things and heard things, but i also used to scare myself as a child and see things in patterns, wall paper, clouds but they were scary faces rather than bunny rabbits.

so actually its probably just my over active imagination.

**Tom B** · 13-10-2009, 03:39 PM

Is this the kind of 70s ghost you had in mind?

**alanmck** · 13-10-2009, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Brass Monkey

It's a bit like the Isle of White, until I went there I was undecided as to whether or not it actually existed.

Was it you that told Nick Griffin about it? He talks of little else these days.

**ginghamkitchen** · 13-10-2009, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by eric-adams

well, my interests in all things dark comes from when i was a kid and i got scared of everything and saw the ghost of my grandad the week after he died. so the interest came from trying to understand why im so scared of everything... and i suppose that lead me to being interested in darker music and lead me to be a right miserable git

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ive seen my grandad walk past me when i was 9, i saw someone walk throught my bedroom while i was listening to music in the dark as a teenager, saw something at the top of the stairs stairing at me, but also felt things and heard things, but i also used to scare myself as a child and see things in patterns, wall paper, clouds but they were scary faces rather than bunny rabbits.

so actually its probably just my over active imagination.

Interesting. When my Nan died, my Dad said not to be too sad, because she was probably (that's my Dad, never a 100% comfort) watching over us. I thought about this a lot, even imagining her sat in the room with us. One day, I came in and actually saw her sitting in the corner. Now, I can rationalise that I was thinking about it so much I visualised it, but it was an extreme moment that despite my Nan's absolute non-threatening loveability in life, I found really frightening, mostly because she was there but unreachable.

Late at night, I think I see ghosts all the time, but it's just tiredness and smeared lenses.

**eric-adams** · 13-10-2009, 03:46 PM

yeah my dad said that he was probably watching over us, which to me as a kid was possibly the scaryest thing to have said. i would have prefered him to have just said he is dead you wont see him again.

ever since i was a kid (before he died) ive always felt that there was somthing following me watching out for me or just waching me, i hate it.

im probably just a bit loopy or something.

**ROCKPROF** · 13-10-2009, 03:47 PM

I believe its something scientific we dont know enough about, as there's probably not much money to be made from it once we have discovered what it is. I am quite fascinated by the whole thing, EVP etc. I'm convinced of 'the Stone Tape' theory that certain places asborb sounds etc but its home baked and I did do the ouija board too many times as a teen.

**peretti** · 13-10-2009, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by ginghamkitchen

Interesting. When my Nan died, my Dad said not to be too sad, because she was probably (that's my Dad, never a 100% comforting) watching over us. I thought about this a lot, even imagining her sat in the room with us. One day, I came in and actually saw her sitting in the corner. Now, I can rationalise that I was thinking about it so much I visualised it, but it was an extreme moment that despite my Nan's absolute non-threatening loveability in life, I found really frightening, mostly because she was there but unreachable.

Late at night, I think I see ghosts all the time, but it's just tiredness and smeared lenses.

In the house I grew up we had terrified visitors leave in the middle of the night on a couple of occasions. I never saw anything but it apparently had a very distinct atmosphere in certain rooms and quite a few people who came to stay claimed to have had ghostly experiences. Woooooooooooo.

**jahshabby** · 13-10-2009, 03:54 PM

Sorry, I think it's toss.

Dull, but there you go.

**ginghamkitchen** · 13-10-2009, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by jahshabby

Sorry, I think it's toss.

Dull, but there you go.

It's not dull, just a bit short shrifty. So, are those that see ghosts nuts or are they just making it up? Forget about clanking chains and wailing spirits, does the eye / brain hallucinate when triggered by certain conditions? It can't all be toss - real or imagined, it does exist as a subject, it's deciding whether it exists as a normal or paranormal occurrence - is it psychic, mental, environmental...I don't know what I think, really, I don't believe in life after death, for instance, and I want it to be true - I just don't see how it would work from a logistical point of view.

**LDJB** · 13-10-2009, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Tom B

Isn't that one of Rich Hero's holiday snaps

Soz Rich

**jahshabby** · 13-10-2009, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by ginghamkitchen

It's not dull, just a bit short shrifty. So, are those that see ghosts nuts or are they just making it up? Forget about clanking chains and wailing spirits, does the eye / brain hallucinate when triggered by certain conditions? It can't all be toss - real or imagined, it does exist as a subject, it's deciding whether it exists as a normal or paranormal occurrence - is it psychic, mental, environmental...I don't know what I think, really, I don't believe in life after death, for instance, and I want it to be true - I just don't see how it would work from a logistical point of view.

Sorry, you're right - but I'm in a dash to get off to pick up my son. Should have waited until later really.

Hallucinations possibly, over-active imaginations, a desire to believe, people lying and mistaking perfectly natural phenomena for something unexplainable.

I think it's a mixture of all of these. Right, got to go and pick up the living without finding out first-hand whether there's life after death on London's cycle paths.

**nosoul** · 13-10-2009, 04:18 PM

i beleive but theres never been any proof ....tho i knew a vampire once

**el sporto** · 13-10-2009, 05:13 PM

I'm a ghost of my former self if that helps.

.....and I think that my dad has reappeared in the form of a large black crow. Hope there's no shrinks out there!

**Striker** · 13-10-2009, 05:14 PM

I have hallucinations at night & i know how convincing & realistic these are to me at the time. So I personally deduce that the entire phenomena of ghost sighting is peoples minds playing tricks on them coupled with an entire industry of shysters & con men preying on people in times of emotional turmoil and of course attention seeking oddballs

I'd be happy to see conclusive proof but it just doesn't exist

and if Yvette Fielding hasn't found one yet then nobody will

**mr sayers** · 13-10-2009, 05:35 PM

Ive voted for the last option.

**korova** · 13-10-2009, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by Striker

and if Yvette Fielding hasn't found one yet then nobody will

I've gone for the last option but my wife is a believer, our Skyplus box is full of that shite, Most Haunted and that American TAPS crap, (The Atlantic Paranormal Society!!!), gotta give them brownie points though, probably millionaires for doing very little and doing the same thing over and over and over again.
Face it people there are no ghosts, its all creaking pipes and static electricity etc.

**Col Wolfe** · 13-10-2009, 07:57 PM

Ghost Hunting With The Happy Mondays was skillingtons

**ginghamkitchen** · 13-10-2009, 10:43 PM

The anti-ghost league lead at the moment. Does that mean that the 'Ghostbusters' films are fictional?

**pitch** · 13-10-2009, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by ginghamkitchen

The anti-ghost league lead at the moment. Does that mean that the 'Ghostbusters' films are fictional?

Yes, but Blithe Spirit is a factual account.

**alanmck** · 13-10-2009, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by ginghamkitchen

Does that mean that the 'Ghostbusters' films are fictional?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SofYTh_ePk

**pitch** · 13-10-2009, 10:56 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53PnVQm2rl4

I'm convinced

**DirtyWater** · 14-10-2009, 12:21 AM

Last option for me. We're animals, and we're related to every other living thing. There aren't chimp ghosts or sparrow ghosts or sunflower ghosts or human ghosts. Just misfiring human brains, either a bit mad or simply mistaken (although there are surely very good evolutionary reasons for why we both see things in nature that aren't there - basic survival, for instance - and for why many of us still hold supernatural beliefs). Like all other living things, we don't possess 'souls' (apart from JB, of course), and therefore after we're dead there's nothing left of us to haunt with. I loved ghost stories as a kid, and still do, however as a serious topic of discussion I find it as ridiculous as believing in any other kind of fairy.