Fascist record dilemma

[Ken Ward]

That's true, I was in a similar quandry when I found a pile of nazi speech albums. I knew they were rare, but didn 't want to buy them to make a profit. And I told the charity they probably didn't want to sell them. In the end I said i'd sell them and give all the money back to the charity. But... do you want a load of nazi speeches going to a nazi sympathiser? Or would they be of use to a war historian? I was also tempted to smash them, but you can't go around airbrushing the past...

What did I do? They're still in a box in the front room, giving off bad vibes. Think of the children! Ebay will block any Skrewdriver items.

Have you tried imperial war Museum, or British Library?

[Ken Ward]

http://sounds.bl.uk/Accents-and-dial...lth-recordings

Along this line. This is the German archive from WW1, that was on here a few years ago!

[moecurlythanu]

Well, smashing records is a lot like burning books. I don't think that registering distaste for the Nazis by emulating them is the right way to go.

[eric-adams]

sell it, spend the money on records you want.
or if you feel bad, spend money on records you dont want in a charity shop.

[chimptown]

Well, smashing records is a lot like burning books. I don't think that registering distaste for the Nazis by emulating them is the right way to go.

the subtle difference is that nazi book burnings were a state sanctioned purge of public collections whereas this is a private individual who in a free society is at liberty to do whatever he likes with his own possessions.

[babycart]

List it as part of a lot including Fascist Groove Thang, Ebony and Ivory, Nicole's Ein Bisschen Frieden and Everybody's Gay by Latin Rose. .

[emperor tomato ketchup]

Peel the label off and put it on something like a TRB record and insert that in the sleeve. Then put it in a charty shop and sooner or later some fascist will pay over the odds for it only to be disappointed.

THough I realise this is a lot like those fake test pressings of a few years back.

[el sporto]

List it as part of a lot including Fascist Groove Thang, Ebony and Ivory, Nicole's Ein Bisschen Frieden and Everybody's Gay by Latin Rose. .

This suggestion gets my vote!

[d7bohs]

List it as part of a lot including Fascist Groove Thang, Ebony and Ivory, Nicole's Ein Bisschen Frieden and Everybody's Gay by Latin Rose. .

My vote too.

Maybe the title of this thread ought to be 'Do I Need this Fascist Groove Thang?'

[king_maxwell]

Pretty good question!

I sympathize with wanting to get rid of the thing and wanting some cash for it. The appealing part about smashing is that *don't have to sell it*. Fascist artifacts are one thing, but profiting from nazi crap seems to be at the heart of the initial discomfort. I'd recommend some way to get rid of it without stressing yourself more. The donation or giving it to a friend option seem the best. Although I like the idea of putting it in a lot w/ some contrary vinyl.

I'll give you $10 if you smash it. And I bet three other people on here will do the same. Win for all involved.

[giantchicken]

Well, smashing records is a lot like burning books. I don't think that registering distaste for the Nazis by emulating them is the right way to go.

Agreed.

the subtle difference is that nazi book burnings were a state sanctioned purge of public collections whereas this is a private individual who in a free society is at liberty to do whatever he likes with his own possessions.

If it's motivated by the same futile desire to rewrite history there is no difference. I don't suppose the Gestapo went any easier on you if you explained that your copy of 'The State And Revolution' was purely for private consumption.What's the point in denying the existence of reactionary forces in history anyway? Isn't that a bit of an insult to those who suffered at their hands? Aren't these exactly the things we should never forget?

It's also a bit high-minded and elitist to assume that although 'cool people like us' can listen to a right wing recording without becoming rampant fascists that whosoever buys it will be any different. Even if it were bought by a fascist, you'd be depriving them of at least fifty quid that might otherwise go to the forces of evil.

C'mon, man up. Get it on the bay now. With a buy it now price of £100....what you do with the money is up to you but I think damp-proofing against the Nazis is as good a cause as any.

...and if you think that's a problem, consider the plight of a woman I once knew who actually [I]went out with] a member of Skrewdriver...

[moecurlythanu]

the subtle difference is that nazi book burnings were a state sanctioned purge of public collections whereas this is a private individual who in a free society is at liberty to do whatever he likes with his own possessions.

That's true enough for the Nazi regime in Germany, but what about Neo-Nazi or Skinhead rallies that take place now? No state sponsorship there, and you can't say that they never burn books or other items.

In the USA, televangelists and other preachers have done it as well. Remember all the Doors and Beatles albums that were burned after certain incidents fired up the religious zeal of the faithful? There's another group of winners the OP probably doesn't want to pattern himself after.

[Milesago]

I wasn't going to respond but now someones offered to pay for the record to be smashed - Don't do it !!

You're So Dumb and Anti-Social are classic 1977 punk rock singles. They do not espouse racist views. They pre-date the bands descent into racist garbage by several years - I think everyone would agree on that.

The problem is a different lineup of Skrewdriver later made openly racist records which tarnish these earlier ones. There's no defence for those later records, naturally, but I'd still make the case that the Chiswick releases are worthy of better consideration (the LP is top notch too).

If this single is smashed because a later lineup of the band made openly racist records, then what about artists guilty of expressing racist views in other media, outside of their records, or the extreme misogyny expressed in the lyrics of countless records, or deliberate ambiguities like Death In June?

Selling it secondhand would not materially benefit any pro-racist group, as far as I can see. It's far more likely to go to a punk rock collector than some racist scumbag.

So don't smash it!