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    Attachment 2042Howdie. I'm sure many of you are aware of this very groovy piece of British Jazz. Mike Westbrook's Original Peter, vocals by Norma Winstone. There are two versions - one on the LP "Love Songs", the other on a super rare Deram 7" light blue label promo. Now, this 7" is where my querie lies. There are rumours (but only small rumours) that this 7" promo version was used in a mid 1970s BBC arts programme. A bit like the South Bank Show. Does anyone know anything about this arts programme. I badly need to know what show the track was used for. Please tell me someone...I can't be arsed to call the BBC.
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    Was it anything to do with Humphrey Burton's "Aquarius" TV arts prog?

    That was ITV though - are you sure it was the Beeb?

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    This is a good and fresh lead, although I'm sure it was a BBC Two show. Well that's the rumour.
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    Aquarius actually used 'Aquarius' from Hair as it's theme tune.

    BBC 2 had an arts programme in the mid-70s called 'The Lively Arts', which I think was a spin-off from another show (possibly Man Alive or Late Night Line-Up?) Dunno whether it had a theme tune, though. 'Omnibus' came a bit later, but the credits I've got from 1978 are a Radiophonic-type synth piece.

    Any chance of an mp3? I might be able to identify the prog if I can hear a little bit of the tune.

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    Yes, The Lively Arts seems very much in the right direction, sounds exactly the sort of oddball BBC2 show that would have an old grey jazz theme for an opener. Not sure about manufacturing an MP3, I'll have a go and see what I can do. I managed to upload a picture, an MP3 can't be a milion miles away...
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    Don't know whether my comment should be in this thread, or the BBC4 one.

    Recently saw the Stephen Poliakoff drama 'Caught On A Train' on BBC4's Poliakoff season. Wasn't dead fussed by the play, but the music throughout was gorgeous and it turned out (as the end credits rolled) that it was a Mike Westbrook score. Even as late-period as 1980 it was a great listen.

    If it's not commercially available in some form, it should be. Anyone who has any leverage with the BBC, please use your powers (or threats) to get the master tapes!!
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    [QUOTE=Senor Trunk]Attachment 2042Howdie. I'm sure many of you are aware of this very groovy piece of British Jazz. Mike Westbrook's Original Peter, vocals by Norma Winstone. There are two versions - one on the LP "Love Songs", the other on a super rare Deram 7" light blue label promo.

    The 'Original Peter' 45 was also issued on the bog-standard white/tan Deram label. Quite besides the point, I know and apologise.

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    and is it a different cut on the 45 to the LP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by francis
    and is it a different cut on the 45 to the LP?
    yes totally different, more uptempo, more crazy, more craved for!
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    Wow Simon, I had no idea - a tan and white issue as well as the blue and white promo baby. This is news to me. I shall now trot off and tell all the expenisve jazz dealers who have so far misinformed me that this is the case. Have you seen / got one of these poo brown and white ones?? I've only seen two, both the light blue promos. Like a weird myuthical beast, I must know if it's out there. Deram did strange dark brown promos too. Funny old label.
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    ...It doesn't get much more jazz than having the worlds greatest handballancer on stage with a fully bearded band and Norma Winstone at her prime ...Anyone know if Peter Performed at many of Westbrook's gigs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Senor Trunk
    Wow Simon, I had no idea - a tan and white issue as well as the blue and white promo baby. This is news to me. I shall now trot off and tell all the expenisve jazz dealers who have so far misinformed me that this is the case. Have you seen / got one of these poo brown and white ones?? I've only seen two, both the light blue promos. Like a weird myuthical beast, I must know if it's out there. Deram did strange dark brown promos too. Funny old label.
    Yup, I have the white/tan copy. Also have a poster for 'Love Songs', advertising the LP, a live date at the Notre Dame Hall, London, as well as the 'Original Peter' single. Indeed, a funny old label. Hello Johnny, if, that is, it's you. I'm a friend of Godsy's, met you some time ago.

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    Aha Simon, yes, we did a mini disk British jazz swapsie years ago. You the man!! Yes since you recorded Original P for me from the charity shop seven I have been looking for it everyhere, bloody nightmare to find., And so now, 5 years on I have one. And still no one can confirm what BBC arts show it comes from, and that was the whole point of the Original (Peter) Post. Anyway, hello again Simon, hope all is groovy, if you are up for another minidisk / CD swaperama let me know.
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    I have been searching 3 years and I haven't found one yet .. and I'm in Norway ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by teddyrosso
    I have been searching 3 years and I haven't found one yet ..
    Might take a bit longer than 3 years...

    Jazzman's re-issuing it (the 45 version) with John Cameron "Troublemaker" on the flip.

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    If anyone's still interested, the Westbrook Concert Band performed what was billed as a 'multi-media show' entitled Original Peter as part of BBC2's 'Reviews' programme in the summer of 1970. It was shown at least twice; I don't have the date for the first transmission, but the second was on August 22nd. (This info was in Time Out and Jazz Journal.)
    Must grade overall visually at least as Good minus!!! (graded STRICTLY to the UK RRPG standards, not overgraded AT ALL!!!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by glengowla View Post
    If anyone's still interested, the Westbrook Concert Band performed what was billed as a 'multi-media show' entitled Original Peter as part of BBC2's 'Reviews' programme in the summer of 1970. It was shown at least twice; I don't have the date for the first transmission, but the second was on August 22nd. (This info was in Time Out and Jazz Journal.)
    25th April 1970 - was the first transmission:

    http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/7e823a26b...577f3063f57b67

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Divine One View Post
    Might take a bit longer than 3 years...

    Jazzman's re-issuing it (the 45 version) with John Cameron "Troublemaker" on the flip.
    Nice... we have the bog standard Original Peter 45 and also John Cameron OG 45

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    I have now obtained a DVD of the entire Original Peter programme, dated April 25th 1970. It's in colour, and features the Mike Westbrook Concert Band with Norma Winstone performing in a TV studio surrounded by circus performers, wrestlers, gymnasts etc, as well as lots of shots of schoolchildren, London buses etc, and odd snippets of cardboard cut-outs of bearded band members in various locations. All in all, it's about the most early 70s thing I've ever seen, and a far better expenditure of the licence payer's money than... well, I won't get started. Amongst other things, they play Magic Garden and an epic Original Peter. Lasts exactly 30 minutes. Whew!
    Must grade overall visually at least as Good minus!!! (graded STRICTLY to the UK RRPG standards, not overgraded AT ALL!!!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by glengowla View Post
    I have now obtained a DVD of the entire Original Peter programme, dated April 25th 1970. It's in colour, and features the Mike Westbrook Concert Band with Norma Winstone performing in a TV studio surrounded by circus performers, wrestlers, gymnasts etc, as well as lots of shots of schoolchildren, London buses etc, and odd snippets of cardboard cut-outs of bearded band members in various locations. All in all, it's about the most early 70s thing I've ever seen, and a far better expenditure of the licence payer's money than... well, I won't get started. Amongst other things, they play Magic Garden and an epic Original Peter. Lasts exactly 30 minutes. Whew!
    Nice work - a mate at the Beeb perchance?

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    Bloody hell.

    In a good way.

    Bloody hell.

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    Yeah, bloody hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glengowla View Post
    I have now obtained a DVD of the entire Original Peter programme, dated April 25th 1970. It's in colour, and features the Mike Westbrook Concert Band with Norma Winstone performing in a TV studio surrounded by circus performers, wrestlers, gymnasts etc, as well as lots of shots of schoolchildren, London buses etc, and odd snippets of cardboard cut-outs of bearded band members in various locations. All in all, it's about the most early 70s thing I've ever seen, and a far better expenditure of the licence payer's money than... well, I won't get started. Amongst other things, they play Magic Garden and an epic Original Peter. Lasts exactly 30 minutes. Whew!
    Very well done Original Peter makes me feel a bit uneasy for some reason but that's good!
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    If anyone else wants a copy of the Original Peter DVD (ie the Mike Westbrook Concert Band live in a BBC studio in 1970, surrounded by acrobats etc), PM me and I'll put you in touch with the guy who made my copy - he's happy to oblige, at cost... and the provenance is superb!
    Must grade overall visually at least as Good minus!!! (graded STRICTLY to the UK RRPG standards, not overgraded AT ALL!!!)

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    Well done finding a copy of Original Peter at the BBC. I was a member of 'The Welfare State' the theatre company working with Mike on a number of concert+event projects in the UK. We had a F.A.B. time getting this one together for LIVE TV in BBC TC Studio One - the largest TV studio in Europe at the time. The producers flipped after the second rehearsal as they did not understand our inventive free/form process and they were advised to swap the normal LE studio camera crew for sports camera operators used to'live' events and "catching the shot". They upped the cameras to I think 5 and stacked the control room with extra staff to pre-select camera feeds then pass these to the final desk for live edit. We had other BBC moments. I remember Union issues when we wanted a BBC painter to be on camera blue screen painting live. It had never been asked for before. Painters are not in Equity the performers union.

    Yes I would like a copy very much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcgettingyounger View Post
    Well done finding a copy of Original Peter at the BBC. I was a member of 'The Welfare State' the theatre company working with Mike on a number of concert+event projects in the UK. We had a F.A.B. time getting this one together for LIVE TV in BBC TC Studio One - the largest TV studio in Europe at the time. The producers flipped after the second rehearsal as they did not understand our inventive free/form process and they were advised to swap the normal LE studio camera crew for sports camera operators used to'live' events and "catching the shot". They upped the cameras to I think 5 and stacked the control room with extra staff to pre-select camera feeds then pass these to the final desk for live edit. We had other BBC moments. I remember Union issues when we wanted a BBC painter to be on camera blue screen painting live. It had never been asked for before. Painters are not in Equity the performers union.

    Yes I would like a copy very much.

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    Wesbrook produced a series of large band LPs. Composing alone, bringing a great team of musicians over to rehearse and record the new work. They then had a limited tour - fascinating to hear the work 'live' and expand in the solos. This was remember the concert/LP experience we used to know. Mike I think won the Melody Maker best modern composer of the year twice with these pieces. After the recording/tour the big band split again into their individual lives to come back together the next year for another cycle. a VERY creative time of the best with the best.

    Yes Norma had a F.A.B. voice but so did Phil Minton. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Minton. Phil also worked with The Welfare State with our marching band and at large scale commissioned special events.

    As did Lol Coxhill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lol_Coxhill. I remember working up some fantastic multi-layer tape loops of Lol's favorite alto sax (no digital then) free form blows. One tape loop was at least 12m. Loop over loop and only 4 track gear - inventive times. This track was used in support of a massive outdoor Welfare State event in Birmingham. In a large open ground city center site (waiting development) we JCB dug a number of pits and buried car wrecks within all joined by a (buried) steel cable. We then on Q used our 30 ton Army Surplus winch to pull them out of the ground. Yes old-school not special effects. These where the times.

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    Wonderful to hear about those times - thanks very much for sharing the memories.
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    I'm fairly confident I saw one of those Westbrook 'Original Peter' broadcasts as a youngster and 1970 sounds about right. I would have caught it just by chance. I have a hazy recollection of loads of catchy riffing and stage mayhem with acrobats etc.

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