Raer?

**Eric Klinger** · 20-03-2006, 11:57 PM

Hello all,

I'm sure I'll sound like a bit of a yutz, but I've seen this term "raer" a little bit, and it's a new one on me. Does it refer to any private pressing records or only hip-hop? Or am I off it entirely?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Eric

**beddoes** · 21-03-2006, 12:04 AM

As far as I know it's just a new injoke/slangword, the source probably the thousands of times that clueless ebay sellers have misspelled "rare". I've also assumed this is the origin of "collectro".

On the other hand, I never bothered to ask anybody what they thought... and this could be like one of those etymologies you cook up when you're a kid...

**Grope** · 21-03-2006, 12:43 AM

I think those terms were first used heavily on Soulstrut... but I might be wrong. eBay must have been the first place for misspellings though...

**soufriere1** · 21-03-2006, 01:23 AM

Yeah, it's a typo that took on vernacular proportions on Soulstrut some years back...and spawned "plaese" and other mutations.

K.

**Motown67** · 21-03-2006, 02:23 AM

This French kid Le Toupt asked about "raer" that his favorite DJ Leacy played. It became an in-joke and took on a life of its own.

**beddoes** · 21-03-2006, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by Motown67

This French kid Le Toupt asked about "raer" that his favorite DJ Leacy played. It became an in-joke and took on a life of its own.

Wee bit urban legendish, this.

**Rich Hero** · 21-03-2006, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by beddoes

Wee bit urban legendish, this.

Except that more than a few of us saw Le Toupt's post with our very own eyes.

**beddoes** · 21-03-2006, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Rich Hero

Except that more than a few of us saw Le Toupt's post with our very own eyes.

Are you sure it wasn't your uncle's babysitter who saw it?

**sermad** · 21-03-2006, 12:45 PM

whats soulstrut like these days? better?

**Rich Hero** · 21-03-2006, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by beddoes

Are you sure it wasn't your uncle's babysitter who saw it?

I'm sure. Although he did go to the first gig where Hendrix played with the Sex Pistols. I couldn't go as I was washing my sideburns.

**alanmck** · 21-03-2006, 12:52 PM

i'm llooknig for breakbeat raer.

**Rich Hero** · 21-03-2006, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by alanmck

i'm llooknig for breakbeat raer.

And fast.

**beddoes** · 21-03-2006, 12:55 PM

Well then --fascinating. How many times have you wondered about the origins of a current catchphrase or the like? Who first said "shit happens"? May I hurt them?

Another question: what ever happened to Le Toupt? Is he aware of his cultural significance? Does he have groupies now?

**son of stan** · 21-03-2006, 01:01 PM

Regarding "raer", who caers?

**Brother Logic** · 21-03-2006, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by beddoes

Well then --fascinating. How many times have you wondered about the origins of a current catchphrase or the like? Who first said "shit happens"? May I hurt them?

The OED cites a University of North Carolina Campus Slang listing for Shit Happen in 1983. As to who said it - who knows, or cares?

**beddoes** · 21-03-2006, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by Brother Logic

The OED cites a University of North Carolina Campus Slang listing for Shit Happen in 1983. As to who said it - who knows, or cares?

Nobody knows. I care.

Or rather, I'm interested. I always read articles about "Patient Zero", too. And though the jury is still out on "memes", I think the subject is fascinating.

Logical enough, Brother?

**son of stan** · 21-03-2006, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Brother Logic

The OED cites a University of North Carolina Campus Slang listing for Shit Happen in 1983. As to who said it - who knows, or cares?

....so, officially, "sh*t" has been "happening" since 1983.

**peretti** · 21-03-2006, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by sermad

whats soulstrut like these days? better?

That possibly depends on your appetite for angry hip hop threads. It still has its moments but the record-related talk seems to be at an all time low. That said, the Real Headz mp3 swap thread a few months ago turned me on to lots of great albums that I've never come across before.

**space debris** · 21-03-2006, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by beddoes

Another question: what ever happened to Le Toupt? Is he aware of his cultural significance? Does he have groupies now?

Another forum I'm on (about fixed wheel bikes) has a similar situation going right now - it involved a cat named Nathan Fabian and now they have coined a new term : "pulling a Fabian" like doing a dumb gratuitous act that may cost you dearly in the end

Anyway, here's the link - if you have some spare time... Way off topic, mind - but some of those kid's photoshopping skills are too much

**Campag Record** · 21-03-2006, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by space debris

Another forum I'm on (about fixed wheel bikes) has a similar situation going right now - it involved a cat named Nathan Fabian and now they have coined a new term : "pulling a Fabian" like doing a dumb gratuitous act that may cost you dearly in the end

Anyway, here's the link - if you have some spare time... Way off topic, mind - but some of those kid's photoshopping skills are too much

Thanks for that link, first time I've visited that site. Reading those posts makes me think I'm reading the bike equivalent to Soul Strut.

**space debris** · 21-03-2006, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by Campag Record

Thanks for that link, first time I've visited that site. Reading those posts makes me think I'm reading the bike equivalent to Soul Strut.

You know, I was thinking the exact same thing.
It's the sort of juvenile over the topness that makes this place (VV) a haven of cool.

Actually, the VV equivalent for fixed gears is here.

Ok - I'll stop now. Two passions. Bikes and rekkids. Sometimes I mix 'm up

**Eric Klinger** · 22-03-2006, 03:51 AM

Thanks everyone!

I was thinking maybe I had stumbled upon a keyword to include in the ebay descriptions of some of this private pressing stuff I've accumulated. I don't have much use for this LP by someone called Marr'Del - it looks like some poetess folk record from the 70s - but I know there are some people who go nuts for this sort of thing. I guess my tastes are a bit more pedestrian.

**beddoes** · 22-03-2006, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by Eric Klinger

Thanks everyone!

I was thinking maybe I had stumbled upon a keyword to include in the ebay descriptions of some of this private pressing stuff I've accumulated. I don't have much use for this LP by someone called Marr'Del - it looks like some poetess folk record from the 70s - but I know there are some people who go nuts for this sort of thing. I guess my tastes are a bit more pedestrian.

I quite like that Marr'Del record. Bit wifty, sure...

**francis** · 22-03-2006, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by beddoes

Nobody knows. I care.

Or rather, I'm interested. I always read articles about "Patient Zero", too. And though the jury is still out on "memes", I think the subject is fascinating.

Logical enough, Brother?

the jury is only out on memes if the jury is pig ignorant and really stupid. Its one of the stupidest ideas in all of intellectual history, and its genuinely amazing that it hasn't gone away yet.

**beddoes** · 22-03-2006, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by francis

the jury is only out on memes if the jury is pig ignorant and really stupid. Its one of the stupidest ideas in all of intellectual history, and its genuinely amazing that it hasn't gone away yet.

Well argued! Top score!

**francis** · 22-03-2006, 03:25 PM

i don't need to argue about it, people much cleverer than me have been trashing it ever since 1976. they did all the arguing that needs doing. Or maybe not, given that it remains a current notion. Though that doesn't mean its not scientistic horseshit of the most pernicious kind.

**beddoes** · 22-03-2006, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by francis

i don't need to argue about it, people much cleverer than me have been trashing it ever since 1976. they did all the arguing that needs doing. Or maybe not, given that it remains a current notion. Though that doesn't mean its not scientistic horseshit of the most pernicious kind.

Most pernicious kind, huh? Yeah, I guess it really is as bad as eugenics, Lombroso, Mao's "scientific" theories of agriculture, the Bell Curve nonsense...

In the hard, Dawkins-endorsed sense, memetics has little going for it. But the soft varieties -attempts to account for things like "Internet-memes", the spread of fashions, etc.- seem to me to hold, if not water, at least syrup.

Maybe you should read a bit of Thomas Kuhn or -eek- Paul Feyerabend before you conclude that scientists are always able to immediately separate the wheat from the chaff...

**francis** · 22-03-2006, 04:42 PM

well I have to disagree with most of that, but I'm not going to enter into discussion about it on a record forum. Kuhn and feyerabend are pertinent from one perspective I suppose - and also maybe you shouldn't assume I haven't read them or that my comments were spoken from the position of 'normal science' - but i was thinking more of the general inapplicability of the actual theory itself to most if not all of the phenomena it seeks to describe, and the numerous logical and empirical fallacies which it is based on, in strong and weak forms.

And since most of the extremely unpleasant scientisms you mentions have to do with applying politically motivated pseudo-scientific theories where they don't belong, I have no problem putting 'memetics' in the same box.

**beddoes** · 22-03-2006, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by francis

well I have to disagree with most of that, but I'm not going to enter into discussion about it on a record forum. Kuhn and feyerabend are pertinent from one perspective I suppose - and also maybe you shouldn't assume I haven't read them or that my comments were spoken from the position of 'normal science' - but i was thinking more of the general inapplicability of the actual theory itself to most if not all of the phenomena it seeks to describe, and the numerous logical and empirical fallacies which it is based on, in strong and weak forms.

And since most of the extremely unpleasant scientisms you mentions have to do with applying politically motivated pseudo-scientific theories where they don't belong, I have no problem putting 'memetics' in the same box.

Okay, I agree, probably not the place for this discussion (he says, and then continues). But if you don't want it to be assumed that you haven't read the literature, maybe you should avoid ultra-simplistic statements like "They [some unspecified scientists] did all the arguing that needs doing." That's very often NOT the case, and why I mentioned Kuhn and Feyerabend, whose work shows just how often arguments need doing again.

And for the record I don't think the weak varieties of memetics are politically motivated in the least. Dawkins, of course, is another story.