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    I went out yesterday and voted for a hard left anti-austerity party, woke up today and find they´ve tripled their seats, with a big overall majority for the left in Spain.

    Meanwhile, the French have voted for a bunch of fascists and the UK has voted for Reggie Perrin's brother



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    Vardy.....¡¡¡PELIGRO!!!

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    My thoughts exactly. There's hope here in Spain after all!
    In any case, in the UK there's such a stranglehold of the right, even the far right, on the main media, the whole of political debate is couched in their terms: immigration scaremongering, jingoism, nationalism, etc. all part of the tactics to get peoples' minds off the outright destruction of public assets like mail service, education and health.

    The only thing that a Ukip victory proves is that there's a lot of ignorant or simply stupid people in the UK who have failed to realise that the real enemy is not the 'foreigners' beside them, but the [email protected] above in the banking sector and corporate tax dodging world. But hey, enough of my yakkin'!
    "THIS IS A FINE TAPE AND BRINGS BACK MEMORIES OF YESTERYEAR WHEN THE MUSIC WORLD WAS GOOD AND NOT FOULED UP BY THE LONG HAIR SCURVES WHO JUST BEAT WILDLY ON ANYTHING AND COME UP WITH A LOT OF STUPID NOISE THat only damnfools and liars say they like it"

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    • #3
      Spain used to lead the world in fascism? What happened?
      SPIRIT DUPLICATOR Est 2015.

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      • #4
        I blame the decline of those reactionary attitudes on Mandanga:
        "THIS IS A FINE TAPE AND BRINGS BACK MEMORIES OF YESTERYEAR WHEN THE MUSIC WORLD WAS GOOD AND NOT FOULED UP BY THE LONG HAIR SCURVES WHO JUST BEAT WILDLY ON ANYTHING AND COME UP WITH A LOT OF STUPID NOISE THat only damnfools and liars say they like it"

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        • #5
          Originally posted by eclectiktronik View Post
          I blame the decline of those reactionary attitudes on Mandanga:
          ]
          Es bien, es bien!

          Spain used to lead the world in fascism? What happened?
          Oh, they´re still out there. although most of them "embraced the democratic process" once they realised they could carry on the business of wholesale corruption even better with loads of EU money pouring in.

          I called the Falange for an election quote once. Hilariously, they answer the phone with a crisp "Viva España" rather than "Buenos dias" or "Diga".
          Vardy.....¡¡¡PELIGRO!!!

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          • #6
            I'm actually quite glad to hear the French voted for some right wing nutters too. It's not so cripplingly embarrassing if there are other countries making the same shit decisions as us. I think eclectiktronik is right only it's not either ignorant people or stupid people it's bloody loads of both. I don't think it will come to it, but if we do end up cutting ourselves off from the Union and living alone on our precious little island, I'll be the first in the channel (or will it have to be the North Sea) swimming for freedom.

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            • #7
              The thing is, it's not a uniquely right wing perspective withdrawal from the EU. UK socialists also advocate withdrawal and probably have done longer than UKIP.
              record licker

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              • #8
                Originally posted by relkeel View Post
                The thing is, it's not a uniquely right wing perspective withdrawal from the EU. UK socialists also advocate withdrawal and probably have done longer than UKIP.
                Indeed. In the end, I'm not convinced the Spanish or Greek hard-leftists are actually that different from UKIP.
                Both seem to want out of the EU, and seem to feel 'our people' have had a hard time as a result of being in the EU.
                To infinity - and beyond!

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                • #9
                  Absolutely. I'm petrified by the idea of a refurendum, especially after results like the ones we've just had - I'm sure even more halfwits would find their way to the polling stations. I got a leaflet through from the Fib Dems and one corner which wasn't reserved for spelling mistakes and damning UKIP quotes had a chart showing Labour as one of maybe two parties not promising a refurendum, dunno, will be checking again before next year.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jakartajive View Post
                    Indeed. In the end, I'm not convinced the Spanish or Greek hard-leftists are actually that different from UKIP.
                    Both seem to want out of the EU, and seem to feel 'our people' have had a hard time as a result of being in the EU.
                    No one in Spain wants out of the EU. The only left party I saw running on a withdrawal platform was NO2EU, which is a bunch of UK trades unionists pushing the 1982 Labour manifesto line.

                    There is absolutely no resemblance between, say, Syriza and UKIP. The 'hard time" that Greeks,Spaniards Portuguese have suffered directly due to EU policy involves mass unemployment, poverty, cuts, erosion of employment rights, higher VAT and one, maybe two, lost generations.

                    UKIP's "hard time" appears to involve the Human Rights Act, the Social charter, having to listen to people speaking Polish on the bus and Eurocrats banging on about climate change as if it actually existed.
                    Vardy.....¡¡¡PELIGRO!!!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by babycart View Post
                      No one in Spain wants out of the EU. The only left party I saw running on a withdrawal platform was NO2EU, which is a bunch of UK trades unionists pushing the 1982 Labour manifesto line.

                      There is absolutely no resemblance between, say, Syriza and UKIP. The 'hard time" that Greeks,Spaniards Portuguese have suffered directly due to EU policy involves mass unemployment, poverty, cuts, erosion of employment rights, higher VAT and one, maybe two, lost generations.

                      UKIP's "hard time" appears to involve the Human Rights Act, the Social charter, having to listen to people speaking Polish on the bus and Eurocrats banging on about climate change as if it actually existed.
                      I do feel vg+ is best when we keep out of politics. There are many counter arguments to a lot of these themes such as :

                      "The 'hard time" that Greeks,Spaniards Portuguese have suffered directly due to EU policy involves mass unemployment, poverty, cuts, erosion of employment rights, higher VAT and one, maybe two, lost generations."

                      The hard time for example the Greeks have had is directly related to their borrowing too much, pissing it up the wall on early retirement plans for hair dressers and the massive lie about their finances to the rest of the world.

                      However can anyone recommend a good record for such conversations?
                      Give a man a tree, He'll take a forest!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by eclipsechaser View Post
                        I do feel vg+ is best when we keep out of politics.
                        I miss the politics threads. Although I apologise to the mods for mistakenly sticking this here rather than NRR.

                        Here´s a record whose title hints at early UK dissatisfaction with the European project. I´m surprised UKIP haven´t adopted it as a slogan

                        Vardy.....¡¡¡PELIGRO!!!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by eclipsechaser View Post
                          I do feel vg+ is best when we keep out of politics.
                          Why?

                          We talk about everything else!

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                          • #14
                            Well it could be a way of increasing post count
                            Give a man a tree, He'll take a forest!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by babycart View Post
                              I miss the politics threads.
                              So do I.
                              Although I apologise to the mods for mistakenly sticking this here rather than NRR.
                              You freeking scientologists are all the same, quible, dribble and then demand ice creams. Ohhhhhhhhhhh.

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