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  • Auto gain?

    Looking at the Rane Empath mixers they seem to have a nice function that normalizes from what ever source be it 7", 12", MP3 etc.

    I dont have £800 (or whatever they are) to shell out on one, wondering if anyone knew of plans/units that performed similar functions that could be intergrated into my mixer/setup. Would take a lot of hassle out of guessing the volumes in the cans.
    working together for better bass and treble

  • #2
    Does your mixer not have the little gain leds? Just needle drop the tune and make the adjustment in gain so the peaks are hitting the orange/red NOT full red.

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    • #3
      Not many mixers can give you a LED readout for a record in cue mode, Serms. A mixer that will bring down the volume quicker than you can grab the gain controls sounds great, if it works. Does it work? I mean you can know your records inside out - I often EQ a record before it&#39;s brought into the mix - but no-one gets it right every time. I still have tunes the blast into the mix, a split second of a really loud drum intro before it&#39;s reigned in still bugs the crap out of me&#33; This happens mainly because a lot of mixers crap out when the fader is near the top, going from medium to loud with the fraction of an upward movement of the channel fader. Having a mixer that could take care if that sure sounds nice, but I bet it dips, trying to compensate...

      I&#39;d say having a decent quality mixer where the faders fade properly, no matter how high they are, coupled with a thorough knowledge of your records is still the best way to go. If I had a plane that could land itself, I would still prefer to trust my own judgement and skill, if I could fly planes that is...

      The Pioneer DJM500 is a nice mixer - full control of the volume at all levels, plus lots of effects to screw around with Mike&#39;s records at Brillo&#33;


      • #4
        I reckon this is getting a bit over-dramatised&#33;

        yes, some faders have a sharp jump at the top, especially vestax ones (this is adaptable), and while using the gain knob is a bit more akward one could avoid the jump thru use of the gain nob - I agree with sermad about checking the lights/level display

        re: the loud intro, yes these can suck but if you gain it down a bit in advance the problem is avoided and you can up it with no-one (aside from your chin strokers) being any the wiser

        the bottom line is knowing your records well which comes back a bit of the ol practice


        • #5
          I&#39;m really lost&#33;

          Nearly all mixers have leds for cue mode&#33; Even cheap £50 ones&#33; Seriously.

          When I gain a record - When I bring it into the mix I have it down a notch less then what I metered it at. So if I make a mistake (usually happens) then it doesnt crash into the mix. Then you turn it up again when you know its messing around.

          Or are we talking about different things?
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          • #6
            Not really, some mixers have LED indications of how loud the track is before it&#39;s brought into the mix, many don&#39;t. But you can&#39;t rely on them anyway. Many use cheap components that interfere with each other too. Bringing the next track in carefully is probably the best way, but I&#39;ve done that plenty of times and lost impact because the levels were too low - the opposite of crashing it in&#33;

            It&#39;s true that it usually comes down to knowing your records, but it&#39;s equally knowing your mixers too, and if you Dj all over the place, you have to keep up with all their set-ups&#33; Still saying all this, there probably isn&#39;t one person in the crowd who would really care (apart from the Scillians, they never forget). If they winced at the too loud split-second, they&#39;d have forgotten about it the by the next one, second that is... Unless you&#39;re really bad at Djing&#33;

            Not being over dramatical, just nerdy...


            • #7
              Its so simple tho. If in doubt just turn the gain down to zero - set the faders for the mix then bring the song in with the gain instead of the up fader.

              So many little tips to get you out of using a knackered mixer.
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              • #8
                I often use the gain anyway - doesn&#39;t make any difference, Serm. If you record is set too loud or too quiet, then it&#39;s too loud or too quiet. With all these old records having so many variations in loudness, it&#39;s easy to mis-judge, especially with crap mixers... I&#39;m talking about cutting or slamming records right in, not fading up.

                Anyways, there&#39;s nothing you can do about this, other than knowing (&amp; remembering) your records inside out, until now apparently. So let&#39;s get back to the big question: Does this Rane Empath gain compensation thing actually work? And how fast does it adjust?


                • #9
                  I&#39;ve heard its pretty good (never used it myself thou), the graph seems to check out and just to get even more geeky i&#39;ve included it below .. heh

                  Rane say &quot;The Auto-Gain circuit is a built-in 3:1 ratio compressor, keeping your levels consistent. The diagonal black line shows input and output levels equal when the Auto-Gain is disengaged. The red line shows the response of the Auto-Gain circuit, where gain is increased when it&#39;s below 0 dB, and decreased when it goes above 0 dB. Once Auto-Gain is activated and the signal reaches -16 dB, gain is increased and held as shown by the blue line (green area).&quot;

                  Its works pre-effects/eq but post fader so it doesnt matter how you sculpt the sound .. prehaps i&#39;ll just build a similar compresser and hook it up to the channels of my numark.
                  working together for better bass and treble


                  • #10
                    Bollocks using the gain doesnt do anything&#33; Maybe on that pioneer at the salmon. But try a vestax - say an 05 or 07 and the gain swing is pretty knockout.

                    I can understand the use of this mixer in a club but if you look at the chart your still going have to get the adjust the gains to match yourself. So its a little help.
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                    • #11
                      um, isn&#39;t that just effectively a compressor?
                      Chops for show, groove for dough.


                      • #12
                        I dunno about this... what if you want the other tune to have less volume in a mix? Will that mixer boost it up and ruin whatever subtley you were trying to achieve?

                        Serm, you lost me with your &#39;bollocks&#39; outburst back there... Ed, that&#39;s exactly what Rane says - it&#39;s a compressor.


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by [b
                          Quote[/b] (Nick Cope @ Feb. 18 2004,18:46)]Ed, that&#39;s exactly what Rane says - it&#39;s a compressor.
                          oops, my bad... i just looked at the chart and didn&#39;t read the text
                          Chops for show, groove for dough.


                          • #14
                            I wonder if you can set the Rane so that it only brings down signals that are too high but not too low...?