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    So I saw Buffalo Soldiers the other day. Really liked it, very funny with some really good characters and an excellent script. Maybe it goes a little too far at the end, but still a great film none-the-less.

    My only real criticism was the score. The actual existing tracks they used were good choices, Public Enemy & that Bear Witness track plus it's remix, and Blue Monday for the club scene. But the score seriously sucked and sometimes worked to undermine the tension of the scenes it was scored against.

    And who was the composer? Well surprise surprise, our very own Mr David Holmes himself...

    Almost identical to the other shoddy scores he made for Ocean's Eleven and Out Of Sight: Over-crisp, over-compressed drums, same Rhodes style keyboard with waaaay too much reverb (someone needs to tell Holmes that echoey keyboards for tension is kind of childish and amateur) Bit of groovy bass. I mean, it's all so fuckin boring. Anyone can do this: get your regular dudes to jam a little into a hard drive, edit down, throw in a few effect noises from some box off bought off Turnkey - always the same ones. Does Holmes get paid as much as a real composer?

    Like in the other films, his arrangements are so predictable, it reduces the tension to Scooby Doo level, and does nothing to enhance, or seems to pay little regard as to what is actually happening in the film's plot.

    Is Holmes like, super trendy in Independent Hollywood or something? Soderbergh's films have been a little smug lately, trying to get this kind of modern twist on the cool films of the early 70s - those existentialist character types like The Driver or The Gambler etc. But Buffalo Soldiers is actually a really good film. I'm surprised they used Holmes, as he does the same thing everytime.

    The score doesn't interfere as much as the the Soderbergh films, maybe because you're more engaged with the story, thus the mind is less open to distraction, but Christ, I'm so bored with these shitty efforts that absolutely anyone could come up with. He should be strictly TV - like these so called 'hip' new shows imported from the US, like The Handler or Nip & Tuck, shows that try to tap into the feel of the quality material like Sopranos etc but fails miserably - that's where Holmes belongs, at home...


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    I think we should scrap the idea of a CD-swap league and use all that money on a contract on mr Holmes' head. Its clear that we've had enough. all of us fo different reasons (record envy, greed, his irishness, his slack productions, his media skills, etc.)

    I reckon I could get us a good deal, max £400. PM me if you're interested.
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    • #3
      Record envy??

      Who on this board would have even the slightest bit of envy of Holmes record collection, or at least, what he publicly displays of it?

      No-one of this board, surely?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by [b
        Quote[/b] (mokka @ April 04 2004,14:42)]I think we should scrap the idea of a CD-swap league and use all that money on a contract on mr Holmes' head. Its clear that we've had enough. all of us fo different reasons (record envy, greed, his irishness, his slack productions, his media skills, etc

        I reckon I could get us a good deal, max £400. PM me if you're interested.

        I'll do it for a pony and some Thai food.

        And I'd sleep like a baby afterwards.
        I was raised by wolves

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        • #5
          Me undertaker mate 'Disco Dave' is gaggin' fer it!, 'an the daft bugger'll do it for a pack 'o' Phineas Fogg garlic crutons. Value or what.
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          • #6
            still not quite sure why people are so keen to slag Holmes off - I don't like to think it's sour grapes.
            We know when a mate buys it for you too.

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            • #7
              I dont have an opinion about the geezer as i know very little about him other than a few fairly uninteresting productions and some DJ'ing, so i aint really qualified to give an opinion. Indifference is my standpoint. But me mate Dave is still chompin' at the bit for them crutons!.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by [b
                Quote[/b] (john stapleton @ April 04 2004,20:18)]still not quite sure why people are so keen to slag Holmes off - I don't like to think it's sour grapes.  
                I'm slagging him off because he spoils films with his average/shite music. I just don't get it. All his scores are exactly the same. I slag off what's his name too - buffalo 66 guy - he's a pretentious fellow who made a film of such bullshit proportions it's incredible, but at least his music is interesting and at least he can put his money where his mouth is...

                There's only a possible sour grapes angle involved with Holmes because he's no more talented than anyone on this board, probably less so in the case of several here I'd expect... But in all honestly, my gripe post was about his score work.
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