Time to pan the mann

[BoneyVotel]

Not quite as many duffers as ol musty Last gasp!

but how many shit LP's did HERBIE MANN put out???!!!
Apart for a few of his earliest releases (Latin Mann comes to mind, and even thats some pretty vulgar & unrestrained fluting) what were his record company on?

Ive got more to get off a ma chest & real dig ranting today.

[bongolia]

no! he's one of my favourites, you bastard!

[BoneyVotel]

Sorry, but not somewhat over recorded?
Especially in the latter 70's??

Must admit though his chest hair is the bomb, he should of had a battle with Roy Ayres for Hairiest chest on a cover shot!!

[wayne]

Uh, James Last, Herbie Mann, easy LPs, libraries...isn't the point of this forum that we dig out the few bits worth finding amid the mountains of landfill by each & every one of 'em??

I think if you want consistency, you get the approved Mojo/Blues&Soul '100 Best LPs Ever Made...Ever' lists and work your way down them. And still end up having to skip sodding 'Yellow Submarine' and 'Maxwell's Silver Hammer' and those soggy ballads on soul LPs.

We're on the Vinyl Vulture forum. We LIKE the rubbish tracks round these parts. I mean, how else do you know there's a good track if there aren't rubbish ones on either side of it to compare it to??

[Nick Cope]

Glad someone brought this up! You know the pics Marco usually puts up in those 'pics of your collection' threads you see on Soulstrut (and here) - well he has one of some shelves with Herbies everywhere... This is the joke shelf, I take it. Well, that's a long way of saying that's where Mann's LPs belong... ha!

[Benicio Del Toffo]

Didn't he produce the Air LP? And I'm sure I had one by him on the Embryo label years ago that was pretty good.

But I've had far more shite than quality by him, this is true. I just never really realised it til you lot put the idea into my head.

Something about Turtle Bay? Family of Mann? Dogshit.

[LDJB]

I agree he put out tons of guff and had more body hair than Robin Williams but he also did Memphis Underground, London Underground, Muscle Shoals Nitty Gritty, Soul Mann..............

[DOKO*ENO]

i have to say... the TAMIKO JONES l.p. is a classic!
and a guarenteed floorfiller (not that I fill floors much these days)

[BoneyVotel]

A "Sidewinder" & "Day Tripper" a classic do not make!!

[Nick Cope]

And it's still not enough to outweigh the "have chest hair and flute" covers...

[dr kraken]

Poor Herbie, not long in his grave and all...
But surely the reason for all this knocking is that HM did produce some good stuff and not everything was up to the same standard (or is it just because he insisted on getting his shirt off at every opportunity?).
Anyway, the fact is that everybody from James Brown at one extreme to Gilbert O'Sullivan at the other have produced both good and bad material.
I like this forum because although there is a lot of common ground in people's tastes, there is no sheep-like consensus on what constitutes a good track. I mean there seems to be sizeable minority who don't like James Last.
Butttttt..... do you think there are tracks which nobody in the world likes? Most albums are pretty patchy and contain tracks that I'm simply not interested in. Is it safe to assume that someone somewhere really likes these tracks, or do you think that the whole world recongises them for filler? And for that matter do you think there's anybody who believes that the Rolling Stones have still got it?

[Hadrian Elephant]

I'm with Dr Kraken and Wayne on this.

With my surfing time limited by my new job, the VV board makes a great one stop shop for me to read and discuss all the best and quirky releases in a miriad of different musical genres.

No artist has been 100% consistent in their career, so why don't we concentrate on the good things they've done?

Also, with so many average but rare albums going for big money, I think it's great that you can pick up the better Herbie releases for less than a fiver each.

Yeah, he did a lot of tosh, but theres good tracks on all of these IMHO:
Mann & A Woman
Right Now
Er...one that I can't remember but it's a double LP thats got a nice live tune with Carlos Patato Valdes on congas (I'm at work at the meoment and can't check my LP's so I suppose I'm going to be told that C.P.G. played on millions of Mann's albums)

I say celebrate Hairy Herbie! R.I.P.

[bongolia]

Embryo was Herbie Mann's label and distributed by Atlantic.

anyway, a few more great albums no-one's mentioned:

At The Village Gate
Stone Flute
Impressions of the Middle East
The Whirling Dervishes

[BoneyVotel]

Quote[/b] (bongolia @ June 10 2004,16:54)]Embryo was Herbie Mann's label and distributed by Atlantic.

anyway, a few more great albums no-one's mentioned:

At The Village Gate
Stone Flute
Impressions of the Middle East
The Whirling Dervishes

Yeah I confess, the Impressions of the Middle East is a cool one. "The Oud & the Pussycat" is well decent. (Reggie Workman on Bass)

Agree with you guys that this board is dope 'cause we can go from James Last to Pentangle in one fell swoop.

[Nick Cope]

I'm just in this thread to laugh at Herbie's 'chesty' LP covers, so don't expect any structured critique of his work from me!