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  • Who was Ennio Morricone's drummer in the 60's/70's?

    My friend and I were recently trying to find out who the drummer was behind all those wonderful Morricone soundtracks from the 60's and 70's but without any luck. I reckon it's the same drummer from the Feedback album but thought maybe he wasn't a "proper" member of Gruppo Di Improvvissazione Consonanza (Spelling mistakes galore no doubt?!).

    Wondered if anybody could shed any light on this?

    Also while I'm at it does anybody know who the drummer is that appears on all those american 70's film scores?? (Taking of Pelham 123, McQ, Magnum Force, The Parallax View Etc) It sounds like the same guy to my ears. I've always wondered if it was Larry Bunker but not sure. The drummer on the first Dirty Harry score must surely be John Guerin as it smacks of his style but I'm sure is not him on the scores mentioned above.

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    Yes! Great question. I've often wondered myself. Does sound like the same dude somehow. Was it one of Bruno's fellas? Was he on the Cam payroll? He SOUNDS the same which makes me wonder about Cam, or if there was a studio where everything was done. Often wondered if he was a classical, orchestra style drummer - he sounds so technical. Or maybe he's a her...
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Nick Cope View Post
      . Or maybe he's a her...
      Yes possibly!
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Abominog View Post
        My friend and I were recently trying to find out who the drummer was behind all those wonderful Morricone soundtracks from the 60's and 70's but without any luck. I reckon it's the same drummer from the Feedback album but thought maybe he wasn't a "proper" member of Gruppo Di Improvvissazione Consonanza (Spelling mistakes galore no doubt?!).

        Wondered if anybody could shed any light on this?

        Also while I'm at it does anybody know who the drummer is that appears on all those american 70's film scores?? (Taking of Pelham 123, McQ, Magnum Force, The Parallax View Etc) It sounds like the same guy to my ears. I've always wondered if it was Larry Bunker but not sure. The drummer on the first Dirty Harry score must surely be John Guerin as it smacks of his style but I'm sure is not him on the scores mentioned above.

        Cheers.
        Great question! Here's some info on the West Coast USA scores.

        Unlikely that there's just one drummer. Some scores to a single movie included sessions by different drummers too, depending on their availability at the time, since the sessions often spanned 2-3 days.

        For example, Schifrin used a variety of the best West Coast session drummers. The following players all appeared on his recordings during the late 60s and early 70s:

        Grady Tate (Marquis de Sade)
        Earl Palmer (he was one of Schifrin's favourite players: some of Mission Impossible, Ape Shuffle and many others)
        Shelly Manne (Venetian Affair, some of Mission Impossible)
        Larry Bunker (Dirty Harry, Kelly's Heroes)
        Joe Porcaro
        Stix Hooper (Enter the dragon)
        Paul Humphrey (Planet of the apes)

        Film session legend Sally Stevens is the wordless vocal artist on Dirty Harry.

        I don't have any reference material for Elmer Bernstein or David Shire to hand, but they all used the same pool of people from the California session circuit, so it's likely to be one of the above players.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by theeman View Post


          Grady Tate (Marquis de Sade)
          Earl Palmer (he was one of Schifrin's favourite players: some of Mission Impossible, Ape Shuffle and many others)
          Shelly Manne (Venetian Affair, some of Mission Impossible)
          Larry Bunker (Dirty Harry, Kelly's Heroes)
          Joe Porcaro
          Stix Hooper (Enter the dragon)
          Paul Humphrey (Planet of the apes)

          Film session legend Sally Stevens is the wordless vocal artist on Dirty Harry.

          I don't have any reference material for Elmer Bernstein or David Shire to hand, but they all used the same pool of people from the California session circuit, so it's likely to be one of the above players.
          Thanks for the info!!

          Interesting. So I guess Stix Hooper is the main man then as the Enter The Dragon sticksman sounds like the same guy on Magnum Force and Taking Of Pelham 123. Well to my ears anyway. Although the drumming on Kelly's Heroes also sounds similar but thats Larry Bunker?? And I could have sworn the drummer on the Dirty Harry sessions was John Guerin. Blimey this is confusing

          I guess one could speculate on these things for an eternity. There must be a log of all the musicians present at each session in some dusty archive somewhere. But who knows where that might be.
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          • #6
            Looked into the Schifrin drummers before.

            Doug Payne seems to know his stuff.

            DIRTY HARRY
            Lalo Schifrin
            Burbank, California: October 4, 1971
            Gary Barone (tp); Craig Kupka (tb); Vincent De Rosa (frhrn); Tom Scott, Tony Ortega, Plas Johnson, Jerome Richardson (woodwinds); Mike Lang, Ralph Grierson, Mike Melvoin (key); Howard Roberts, Dennis Budimer, Michael Deasey (g); Ray Brown (b); Max Bennett (el-b); Larry Bunker (d); Emil Richards, John Guerin, Ken Watson, Joe Porcaro (perc); Sally Stevens (vcl); Israel Baker, David Frisina, Dorothy Wade, Paul Shure, Bonnie Douglas, Alfred Lustgarten, Jerome Reisler, George Kast, Joseph Livoti, Alex Beller, Herman Clebanoff, Samuel Cytron (vln); Milton Thomas, Virginia Majewski, Joe Reilich, Philip Goldberg (viola); Raphael Kramer, Armand Kaproff, Emmet Sergeant, Kurt Reher (cello); Catherine Gotthoffer (harp); Bill Williams, Dan Franklin (copyist); Kurt Wolff (orchestra mgr); Lalo Schifrin (arr,cond).

            Note: According to Lalo Schifrin, Larry Bunker and John Guerin played drums simultaneously together (although Schifrin indicates Mel Lewis, not Larry Bunker, is the second drummer during the interview contained in Warner Music France (Fr) 8573-87357-2 [CD]).

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            • #7
              Thanks Xann!

              I remember looking at Doug Payne's website quite some years ago but don't recall such a wealth of information!
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              • #8
                Well it's taken me a few months but I've finally come into the knowledge that Ennio Morricone's regular drummer from the 60's/70's is Vincenzo Restuccia.

                We can all sleep better now.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Abominog View Post
                  Well it's taken me a few months but I've finally come into the knowledge that Ennio Morricone's regular drummer from the 60's/70's is Vincenzo Restuccia.

                  We can all sleep better now.
                  What with the reissue of the 'Feed-back' LP and so on, I went searching for the answer to the original question in the thread title, and ended up here. So, my question is, did Vincenzo also play on tracks such as 'Adonai', 'Guerre E Pace, Pollo E Brace' and Molino's 'Operazione Beat'? They sound like the same person, to my untutored ears, but not necessarily the same person who was in The Group. And where were these all recorded, as I guess the studio and engineer make a significant contribution to the sound? ...I feel like I should have asked these questions years ago!
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