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    Hi guys,

    Has anyone discussed this before? I was researching buying new (outer) sleeves and kicked up this article -

    http://www.vinylengine.com/turntable...p?f=53&t=43623

    Quite a few people commenting they have had problems with PVC (outer) sleeves. Anyone have? A tonne of my records are in storage in PVC back in London so I'm a bit worried now.

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    But are you talking about inner or outer sleeves?
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    • #3
      they both cause damage, to the vinyl and/or the cover

      Polyester (Mylar) or Polypropylene or Polyethylene only

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Plainstone View Post
        But are you talking about inner or outer sleeves?
        Outer sleeves. Those heavyweight PVC ones you get at record fairs. I've been using them for years now. Swapping to POLYETHYLENE now.
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        • #5
          I noticed this some years ago on some of mine that had been unplayed for maybe five years and stored in those heavy duty PVC sleeves. When I took the record out there was a sort of swirly greasy film on them. As I recall it wiped off, but I'm glad I looked. I also noticed that on some of silkscreened sleeves, there appeared to be some transference from the sleeve to the inside of the PVC cover
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          • #6
            my mate sells the heavy duty pvc 800g record sleeves at fairs on a regular basis,and also has his entire lp collection in them as well,cant recall anyone complaining about them? covers 33 sell a slightly different gauge 600 i think,also i think they come from china? so prob of a slightly less quality,ill ask him on sunday
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            • #7
              Originally posted by sermad View Post
              Outer sleeves. Those heavyweight PVC ones you get at record fairs. I've been using them for years now. Swapping to POLYETHYLENE now.
              In my experience these have only been a problem when in direct contact with the vinyl. Case in point is the Multidirection series on MoWax. Almost impossible to find a Japanese copy without the kind of damage described here ... usually only on the side with my favourite track, as well.

              My main gripe with those sleeves though is that they get pretty grotty with age and I've had a few cuts from ragged edges.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Plainstone View Post
                In my experience these have only been a problem when in direct contact with the vinyl. Case in point is the Multidirection series on MoWax. Almost impossible to find a Japanese copy without the kind of damage described here ... usually only on the side with my favourite track, as well.

                My main gripe with those sleeves though is that they get pretty grotty with age and I've had a few cuts from ragged edges.
                That's what I thought it was just when the vinyl touched the PVC...but then reading through the thread people have had problems even when the record is in a liner. Hmm.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by sermad View Post
                  That's what I thought it was just when the vinyl touched the PVC...but then reading through the thread people have had problems even when the record is in a liner. Hmm.
                  Heat and humidity-related, maybe.

                  This subject is frequently discussed on Waxidermy, btw. A forum search for "off-gassing" should turn up a variety of threads.
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                  • #10
                    There's a long thread about it on here somewhere. Long and short: PVC sleeves will eventually damage the vinyl, even through sleeves, and they also fuck up several kinds of sleeve eg anything with a photocopy, and some kinds of (maybe 50s vintage?) printing. It may well ultimately have something to do with environmental conditions, but I'm not taking any chances. All my records are either nude or in polythene.

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                    • #11
                      yeah pvc sleeves cause "vinyl cancer" or off gassing, makes the wax go a milky flat complexion
                      have seen lots of collections ruined by them....

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                      • #12
                        does the off gassing effect play?
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                        • #13
                          Exactly which sleeves are made from PVC?
                          Are the hard edged ones PVC or are the softer ones PVC? Or is it more complicated than that?
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by eric-adams View Post
                            does the off gassing effect play?
                            It causes a whooshing noise on the vinyl as well as the visible damage
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                            • #15
                              i bought a load of the clear plastic outter sleeves in the 90s, but dumped then when ons stuck to the front of a mint hendrix electric ladyland, must have got a tiny bit damp or something. once that happened i got rid of all my sleeves and havent used them since.
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