80s/90s euro shoegaze?

[chimptown]

Did this ever exist beyond ecstacy of st theresa's first stuff?

[highland cow]

The Nightblooms from Holland were really good.

[chimptown]

Good call. Totally forgotten about them.

Is there even a book on Euro Indie music? All i can remember from that era is glitterhouse and industrial music from Europe. Surely it cant all have been two men with complicated haircuts from dresden bashing meat hooks into mic'ed up panda carcasses. What happened when Es hit european guitar bands?

[priima]

I think most of my friends have played in estonian shoegaze group Though they started in late 90s, I'm talking about Pia Fraus.
Check Bizarre, their second album from 1996 was released on LP recently https://seksound.bandcamp.com/album/cafe-de-flor

[chimptown]

and Pia Fraus are a very fine group - love the stuff they did with that german dude whose name i've totally forgotten

what were bands doing in late 80s through 90s in estonia?

you'd think you'd have people copying dinosaur jr / sonic youth / mbv across the continent but then maybe scene in europe was wildly different then to UK. But then i can only think of 4 or 5 bands in USA who were blatantly influenced by MBV so maybe no-one cared or was it just a delayed reaction and by the time that whole thing was dead here it was just starting elsewhere.

if my balls are big enough and my mind garden wide enough i shall investiagate and report back

[priima]

Bizarre was probably first shoegaze group here, their 1994 tape is on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIT-omWhX7Q
Second tape "Cafe De Flor" was already with triphop/electronica elements.
First Estonian indiegroup Röövel Ööbik had mbv in the mix too, but they borrowed from everywhere. I'm pretty happy this video from 1991 exists https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7ji8Tz7e-k

[chimptown]

oh wow roovel oobik kick it - motorcylcists on fire and a group consisting of an amped up bez, a will reid haircut, the estonian bobby gillespie and a bit of loop thrown in too - in your face Britain - that's how you ramp things up properly

i'll check bizarre out tomorrow. I knew this stuff had to exist. thoroughly intrigued

[Funky Charly]

I have this LP. Late eighties. Moby side-showing... http://www.discogs.com/Ultra-Vivid-S...release/860566

[giantchicken]

I have this LP. Late eighties. Moby side-showing... http://www.discogs.com/Ultra-Vivid-S...release/860566

Good, but not euro - from NYC - UVS were the vehicle of former Crash guitarist Kurt Ralske - the follow up, 'Joy 1967 - 1990' is a better album, I reckon...

[Cacapo]

you'd think you'd have people copying dinosaur jr / sonic youth / mbv across the continent but then maybe scene in europe was wildly different then to UK.

we had Tocotronic. Sometimes when I feel way too happy I wallow in self pity and put this on.

[chimptown]

we had Tocotronic. Sometimes when I feel way too happy I wallow in self pity and put this on.

Haha exactly - I have a job at the minute where they may as well coat my soul in petrol and throw a match on it so I need a suitable soundtrack.

I like this - loving the bus seat they are sitting on in their living room - plus the matching bracelets - t-shirt trim.

I thought this was cool out of germany.

[emperor tomato ketchup]

Ultra Vivid Scene certainly had that hazy sound though they were also channeling the NYC VU type spirit.

I'm trying to remember if Shoegaze in its prime had a short enough media profile that it came and went too fast to have a major and immediate impact the way soemthing like grunge did? By the time most of the shoegaze bands were on their second lp the indie scene had already moved on and they were either seen as yesterday's nobodies (Slowdive) or shamless bandwagon hoppers adding some beats to their effect pedals (Chapterhouse). Of the bigger bands MNV promptly disappeared and Ride changed tack for a less hazy/more aggresive proto Britpop freakbeat take on psych. That being so the influence was limited and slow but also potent. Like the old story that Nuggets only sold 20,000 copies but everyone who bought one formed a band.

[chimptown]

isnt anything was 88 and loveless 91 and then a year or so after that before the backlash so there was maybe 4-5 years before the whole thing seemed played out. From USA you had medicine, swirlies, ultra vivid, drop nineteens, belltower - so there was some influence outside UK - ecstacy from czechoslovakia, the bands Priima listed, nightblooms, bailter space so it did leak out and influence some people in other countries at the time but yeah like you say... most of the influence seemed to come much later in a slow burn.

[cratedigger]

I think the closest we came in Sweden were Easy. Apparently they returned from a 16-year hiatus in 2010 and are still active.

[jakartajive]

I bought my first flat off the couple from Slowdive.