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    Email today from Dom at Great Pop Supplement in which he says he will be scaling back his operations next year because record store day is making it impossible to get records pressed in a decent time frame. The plants are already asking for masters for RSD 2016 product. This year it meant he wasn't able to press his records early in the year leading to a glut later in the year. He noticed a drop off in sales to regulars presumably due to an excess of product at one time. I have heard other small labels complain about long delays in getting records pressed these days due to the majors re-entry into vinyl sales. Dom says he will be scaling back his GPS stuff, and Deep Distance, to concentrate on his Polytechnic Youth label which has smaller runs allowing him to cut out the "larger press bullshit".
    "You don't want to kill the cash donkey"

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    Our last one took 8 months to get back after masters were submitted. Used to be 4 to 6 weeks.
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    • #3
      It was getting a bit hectic for me I must admit. Limited editions coming in mini gluts doesn't do the cash flow many favours. Admittedly not all of the releases were my cup of tea. It's quite easy to fall into the trap of buying everything, collecting the label I suppose. Do the Polytechnic Youth releases have soundclips before release? Or do people buy on spec? I had a quick look at the Facebook page, and was none the wiser about the latest projected releases. Unless I missed something of course. I suppose he has to follow his nose and go with whatever he's passionate about. If something is giving you a headache, the sensible thing is to stop doing it I guess.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by treeboy View Post
        It was getting a bit hectic for me I must admit. Limited editions coming in mini gluts doesn't do the cash flow many favours. Admittedly not all of the releases were my cup of tea. It's quite easy to fall into the trap of buying everything, collecting the label I suppose. Do the Polytechnic Youth releases have soundclips before release? Or do people buy on spec? I had a quick look at the Facebook page, and was none the wiser about the latest projected releases. Unless I missed something of course. I suppose he has to follow his nose and go with whatever he's passionate about. If something is giving you a headache, the sensible thing is to stop doing it I guess.
        I don't think the Polytechnic Youth things do have soundclips- I haven't followed them too closely. I think it's a shame that because somebody will want to repress a purple splatter 180gsm copy of 'Never Mind The Bollocks' for an event happening in 5 months time (that's a guess, I've no idea when it is) somebody like Cardinal Fuzz may find it's not possible for them to get their new homegrown record out and on sale when they'd like to.
        "You don't want to kill the cash donkey"

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        • #5
          It's killing us too ...
          I never realised doing a label could be so problematic !!
          RSD is a beast .... But as a label we will continue as long as we can .
          The time waiting for pressings is out of hand
          Rockwell
          Banned (DJ Anchovy)

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Col Wolfe View Post
            Our last one took 8 months to get back after masters were submitted. Used to be 4 to 6 weeks.
            I've waited 12 months

            It's impossible to schedule a release when you have no idea when they will actually get pressed.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Jazzman Gerald View Post
              I've waited 12 months

              It's impossible to schedule a release when you have no idea when they will actually get pressed.
              Wouldn't be surprised if plants start turning down labels who contract smaller press runs soon as not worth their time. Popularity in vinyl for mainstream artists is obviously increasing. Have always kept work inside the UK but seriously thinking about trying the German plant that has recently refurbished some mothballed machines.
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              • #8
                A good friend of mine was just turned down by a major pressing plant. They didn't even give him a time frame. It was just "no, can't do it. sorry" written in a more diplomatic manner.

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                • #9
                  Shame that something designed to help the independent record shops is causing so much stress to independent labels. I hate the majors they always find a way to screw their customers over. I remember when they used to charge 15-20 quid for new cd's (in the late 80's early 90's) then cried when supermarkets started selling them at a reasonable price then when digital music came along instead of embracing it they just looked at it as lost revenue and took years playing catch up like they hadn't been stealing from their customers for years.

                  Now with Record store day they've found a new way to do us punters over again by re-releasing already common MOJO gubbins or Teenybopper tat at absurd prices depriving the music fan of the chance for the rarer reissues and new artists the chance to get their stuff to market on a format adored by lovers of music.

                  Grrrr, I hate them with a passion, I read a feature in 'Q' at the dentists (I would never buy it) about Indie labels, utter dirge with a foreward by Noel Gallagher. Still it got me through part 2 of my root filling pondering its tripe. Nothing to do with majors although a lot mentioned are now owned by major labels and I think I'm right in thinking NG's last album was the biggest selling vinyl this year or on RSD. I have little to no 'Noel' knowledge. They used to always have the latest copy of 'The Word' in our dentists which was always an interesting read and after its demise they switched to 'Q' the swines!

                  Originally posted by Shere Khan View Post
                  I don't think the Polytechnic Youth things do have soundclips- I haven't followed them too closely. I think it's a shame that because somebody will want to repress a purple splatter 180gsm copy of 'Never Mind The Bollocks' for an event happening in 5 months time (that's a guess, I've no idea when it is) somebody like Cardinal Fuzz may find it's not possible for them to get their new homegrown record out and on sale when they'd like to.
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                  • #10
                    There is a steady inflow of new customers buying the "MOJO gubbins" reissues. I assume the majors see this as a fad, otherwise the sensible thing would be to make sure that investments are made in setting up new record plants to secure the supply. I guess these investments would be substantial as the equipment needed isn't produced anymore.
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                    • #11
                      Well, I have to say that just this short discussion so far has altered my feelings about RSD. I was kind of aware that the big boys were barging their way to the front of the queue, but hearing from the people at the "grass roots" themselves, the penny has dropped. Bit of a dilemma for someone who has picked up some RSD offerings in the past which I was very pleased to get.
                      How would the German plant option affect your costs Col? Would it be better to have a slightly more expensive product if it brought things back under your control in terms of time frames for releases? That's assuming it would be more expensive of course.
                      Everyone tear down your own little wall
                      That keeps you from being a part of it all
                      Because you've got to be one with the one and all
                      You've just got to be close to it all

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                      • #12
                        Can only hope the fad passes quickly or they actually invest some of their billions in making some new machines and setting up new plants and creating jobs. I don't see the latter happening any time soon.
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                        • #13
                          I gave up pressing records earlier this year, last year I had a list of 4 things to release. the first one took 5 months to come back which knackered all the other releases. all the money tied up in that release couldn't be put in to the others, all the advertising was done 3 months before I had the records, so everything fell apart. now I just put stuff on iTunes. which is the opposite of what I wanted to do.
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                          • #14
                            Need to start up a label store day..
                            LSD sounds kinda' groovey doesn't it?

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                            • #15
                              Cretins they are! When 'Steven Wilson' remastered the Tull's 'Thick as a Brick' and did his surround thing and remastered the original they cocked up the master on the stereo mix included in the box set. He wasn't happy so what do they do a year or so later press the same badly mastered version as a single album. Idiot and reformed Tull fan that I am go and buy it lol First listen and I think this doesn't right, way too much treble which then led me to the Steve Hoffman's anally retentive forum which confirmed my fears.

                              And C'mon do we really need a £35 copy of Led Zeppelin's 'Coda' sat on the shelves of HMV?

                              Originally posted by cratedigger View Post
                              There is a steady inflow of new customers buying the "MOJO gubbins" reissues. I assume the majors see this as a fad, otherwise the sensible thing would be to make sure that investments are made in setting up new record plants to secure the supply. I guess these investments would be substantial as the equipment needed isn't produced anymore.
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