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  • Gnarly trad

    The jazz/world/avant crossover that took place in the 60's and 70's was great.

    Most of my exposure to it has been in a thinkier context. I'm wondering to what extent it took place more generally. Especially in a 'trad' setting.

    I'm prompted by a few things. Last night iTunes juxtaposed Umiliani doing his tribal/electronic thing with Sangster on a far more trad excursion, but with weird 'nature' sounds overlaid. Result! Sangster's work generally, I suppose. Earlier today I saw a trad LP with some Satie on it (!?!).

    Another example might be Acka Raga (no great shakes to my ears, but still). Some of the Basil Kirchin I have heard might qualify, though much less of an 'everyday' find.

    I can think of a few more obvious examples, but I am wondering if anyone has every listened to any - I don't know - Dutch College Swing Band (which I see all the time here) and found there a version of a Stockhausen piece. Or something of that order. Dixie, boogie-woogie, trad, Olde School jazz that has a complete curve-ball track on it.
    Last edited by Grim Lounge Cowboy; 05-11-2016, 07:39 AM. Reason: Formatting, etc.

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    There are some really deep humph cuts, typically kenny graham arrangements

    There's a trad LP on saydisc w a pharaoh sanders cover

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    • #3
      There are loads of really interesting trad bits that are odd and weird. I love a lot of twenties jazz, much of which is really weird itself, but here are some great later hot jazz/trad gone odd:

      As well as Acker Raga, I know of two other ace oddball Bilk tracks - Going Down, a harmonica driven r'n'b thing (but not great video quality) and Blood Pressure, a weird effects laden oddity:






      Quite a lot of people rate a couple of Chris Barber albums, Battersea Raindance and Drat That Frattle Rat:




      There's also 3000 Years With Ottilie, by Ottilie Patterson:




      As for the older jazz greats going odd, the Louis Armstrong and his Friends LP has a few great moments, particularly his version of The Creator Has A Master Plan with Leon Thomas. Its been taken down from Youtube unfortunately. His version of Give Peace a Chance is there though:




      Also, try this from 1962, which I love - They Say I Look Like God:




      On a more big band than trad line, Duke Ellington did huge amounts of amazing stuff later in his career, where he took big band into oddball territory, if that's what you're after: Afro-Eurasian Eclipse, Far East Suite and the like. For avant-garde big band, it doesn't get much better than Stan Kenton's City of Glass. For later, funky big band, there's lots of really good Woody Herman.
      Mixes, compilations and the like

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      • #4
        Collective ooof! if you find Ottilie cheap!
        Seconded on Drat That Frattle Rat, quite a surprising lp.
        Everyone tear down your own little wall
        That keeps you from being a part of it all
        Because you've got to be one with the one and all
        You've just got to be close to it all

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          • #6
            It may not be quite what you're after, but there's a couple of records where traditional brass bands tackle avant garde composer material - the most avanty one out there may be the Grimethorpe Colliery Band album in the Decca Head series, where they perform Takemitsu, Harrison Birtwistle, etc. If any one has one to trade, I'm after it...

            Here's Harrison:

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            • #7
              Well, there is no denying that I mentioned Stockhausen. That sounds like a case of ' be careful what you wish for'.

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              • #8
                Thanks for the other suggestions. Keep them coming.

                Battersea Rain Dance is the most immediately striking/catchy.

                I tend to associate trad etc with a good-timely vibe. Not that I know anything about it. Perhaps the trad/avant crossover only exists ' in principle'. Although I expect that the Art Ensemble of Chicago would have begged to differ, now that I think about it.
                Last edited by Grim Lounge Cowboy; 05-11-2016, 03:39 PM. Reason: AEoC

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                • #9
                  Isn't there a Brass Band plays the Beatles album on studio 2 stereo with an Egyptian jazz sounding piece, sure it made someones swap last year?

                  Following on from Kenton's City of Glass his 'Innovations in Modern Music' project is also completely of it's noodle and must have cost a fortune at the time and lost him a fortune too assembling the orchestra and touring the thing as its way ahead of anything else Big Band at the time in the Avant Garde stakes.
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                  • #10
                    Louis Armstrong and his friends is great.
                    LOST SOUNDTRACKS Mixtape

                    HOLDBAR HIP HOP Podcast

                    BUSYBODY FILMS

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                      LOST SOUNDTRACKS Mixtape

                      HOLDBAR HIP HOP Podcast

                      BUSYBODY FILMS

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                      • #12
                        Not trad jazz, but swing era jazz. Basie and Duke getting modern.


                        LOST SOUNDTRACKS Mixtape

                        HOLDBAR HIP HOP Podcast

                        BUSYBODY FILMS

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                        • #13
                          Amidar, it was on mine. It's ace but not trad so much as military band. It's The Band of the Irish Guards: https://youtu.be/bP4aM4sgd8Y
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                          • #14
                            That's the one someone mentioned it sounded like 'Salah Ragab' at the time and it does. Crazy that a piece of music like that ends up on an album by 'The Band of the Irish Guards'. Pure

                            Talking of S2S I'm currently ripping 'Wout Steenhuis - An Essay in Romantic Stereophony' gets a bit easy cheesy well quite a bit to be fair but there is some great double bass and drumming but no info on any of the musicians involved except it was arranged by 'Roland Shaw'. 'Body and Soul' starts off great for 4 bars then descends into cheese. Still that said it's probably the best Wout album I've heard probably cos he doesn't go all aloha on it and its has the best title!

                            Originally posted by Little Jimmy Oddman View Post
                            Amidar, it was on mine. It's ace but not trad so much as military band. It's The Band of the Irish Guards: https://youtu.be/bP4aM4sgd8Y
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                            • #15
                              Acker gets funky on this one.

                              https://www.discogs.com/Acker-Bilk-A...elease/4863401

                              No. really.
                              "..hole...road...middle thereof"

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