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    There was a piece in The Grauniad this week by John Harris " Pop music was a great leveller. Now it’s a bespoke plaything for the rich" with the sub-heading, "Buying albums and watching bands were egalitarian pursuits. Now both reflect society’s wealth divide "
    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-wealth-divide
    I thought the article was pretty good, but yesterday a letter appeared in The Gradunia following on from the article, which, if anything, is more worrying. The writer has a fair point.
    https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...ids-playground

    Worth having a look at. I'd be interested to hear anyones' opinions on either.

    There was also this letter in answer to the article which I have only just found.
    https://www.theguardian.com/business...op-pickers-pay
    Everyone tear down your own little wall
    That keeps you from being a part of it all
    Because you've got to be one with the one and all
    You've just got to be close to it all

  • #2
    Yeah it's all a bit laughable really this whole heritage industry that's been built up around the pop/rock industry. My memories growing up was the quality bands & artists were forever 'pushing the envelope' with barely a glance backwards! As stagnation seemed to set in at the turn of the millennium then all we've seen is a constant regurgitation of an otherwise dead product. How many remastered/expanded/20th/30th/40th anniversary versions of a supposedly classic albums can the record industry get away with? Seemingly limitless as the gullible public just laps it up!! Witness RSD for example...and the queues round the block! Really it just exposes a massive gap in original music these days that people are just stuck in the past worshiping these dinosaurs!

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    • #3
      Great reply FO. Also, the demographic has to be shifting too. What kids (if they wanted to) could afford the Floyd box set as an extreme example? These sort of things are obviously targeted at the older audience. Is it just the "dinosaur" bands taking advantage of the situation? There seem to be deluxe editions of almost everything nowadays, old or new. Like you said, it used to be a case of bang an lp out, do some gigs, then do it all again. It was affordable for a punter. Things have gone crazy.
      Everyone tear down your own little wall
      That keeps you from being a part of it all
      Because you've got to be one with the one and all
      You've just got to be close to it all

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      • #4
        The writer of the first letter makes some good points in this time of Austerity, Brexit, President Elect Trump what are the kids doing? 'Blossoms' give me a break. These people think calling someone left-wing or saying 'Fight the System Man' in a stupid voice are an insult. Music doesn't have to be political and of course its not all like this tons of urban acts singing about their struggles and anger but his point is a good one because I see a lot of young rich bands singing about materialistic things and how they look to the world on Social Media, a lot of faux happiness and a seemingly zombie like state to what is actually happening in the world outside of their timelines.

        When I left school 20 odd years ago if you said you wanted to make music or be an artist you were laughed at and told to get a proper job now you can go to University and be taught how to make a dance track. FO is right a stagnation of sorts did set in at the turn of the millennium. EDM is like they've taken all the bad dance music from the 90's and whisked it up in a blender and its turned brown.

        As a caveat to that I am self aware enough to know I am old and out of touch!
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        • #5
          It does seem a bit grim, no musical revolution/rebels/real rock stars/reprobates. The term edm is presumably American, I laugh when I hear it mentioned. They virtually invented house/techno in the early/mid 80's and it only seemed to get big over there in the last maybe 10 years repackaged as edm.
          Mind you in the 90's we had the incredibly irritating idm (intelligent dance music) which some Star Trek fan probably dreamt up.
          At least we now have Anklepants.

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          • #6
            I meant the term idm - not the music.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by treeboy View Post
              it used to be a case of bang an lp out, do some gigs, then do it all again. It was affordable for a punter. Things have gone crazy.
              It's more affordable than ever. I can get hold of pretty much anything I want to listen to now.
              If I want it on vinyl that's a different matter, but vinyl will never be the dominant format again. It's a niche market for collectors, and any smart label realised that ages ago
              I'm more sympathetic with the guy who wrote the first letter, but technology has changed everything anyway. There won´t be another Beatles, there won´t be another punk. It's over.
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              • #8
                I knew what you meant. Yeah when I first heard the term EDM a few years back I thought it was derivative of IDM whereas it's a completely literal ancohronym with the latter being a bit more pompous although a hell of a lot more good music was labelled under the banner of IDM as you allude. I wondered why americans had started sampling rubbish Trance records then slowly began to realise dance culture had reached the US mainstream and they'd made it crap.

                Originally posted by Nizbit View Post
                I meant the term idm - not the music.
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                • #9
                  Indeed, in terms of egalitarianism (is that a word?) as far as listening to music goes, it's pretty much a level playing field, so I'd agree with you there.
                  Everyone tear down your own little wall
                  That keeps you from being a part of it all
                  Because you've got to be one with the one and all
                  You've just got to be close to it all

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                  • #10
                    id say it was a lot better now.
                    bands can connect direct to fans, and while they are not getting in the top ten and on top of the pops, they can still create interesting work and side step the entire music business.
                    anyone with a laptop and $20 and make a song and get it on itunes
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                    • #11
                      'It's better in some ways but utterly and completely shit in others' is the mantra of the future.
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                      • #12
                        I look back with fond memories at being ridiculed for liking Hip Hop in a Danish smalltown in the 1980s.

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                        • #13
                          also, relating to the Pink Floyd box set. it can only be aimed at old people with good jobs. you would hope that Pink Floyd mean absolutely nothing to every 20 year old music buyer. They should be as relevant as the music our grandparents listened to when we were 20.
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                          • #14
                            'Live' music has been a bit of a casualty in all this. Certain groups can only be seen at festivals. If you want to see them you'll probably have to pay a couple of hundred pounds. It seems almost everyone uses backing tracks these days, too. My son's band played pretty much everywhere in the UK, plus things like Download festival etc. He says it's absolutely standard for groups to use backing tracks. Drums almost always, vocals definitely. The group will still be playing but the backing beefs the whole thing up, covers mistakes- just makes it easier to sound like your record, basically. Bigger the group the more backing but even small groups will have backing these days. The stories I hear from him give me a very dim view of the business. It hasn't really changed much for the performer.
                            "You don't want to kill the cash donkey"

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                            • #15
                              backing tracks are getting more and more popular as a lot of bands are one guy in a studio playing everything and making layers of instruments that are impossible to play live.
                              I kind of agree and disagree with them, it is easier for the band to play along to, but stops bands from playing to the moment.
                              its not much different to how dance music or rap is presented live though.
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