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    i'm a veggie (have been for over 10 years) and i'm totally against animal experiments etc, now unfortunately this has affected my diggin activities, certain charities, cancer research, british heart foundation, scope to name a few conduct or have experiments conducted for them using animals, this means i don't go into those shops, do any other vultures have simular ethics?, what are your views on this subject?, i'd prefer this not to get to heavy, i'm just interested what you think.
    I want to go to the land of ooog!

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    Hi Happy Monster - I've been a strict vegetarian for 5 years and nowadays wonder how I ever allowed myself to eat meat in the first place.

    I must say I didn't realise the charity shops you mention have/continue to conduct experiments on animals. From a purely moral standpoint, you are of course totally correct to refuse to purchase goods from these places.

    However, if you walked past one of them and saw through the window a huge pile of library LPs, could you resist tempatation and walk past?!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by [b
      Quote[/b] (van Otterloo @ 19 July 2003,07:30)]I must say I didn't realise the charity shops you mention have/continue to conduct experiments on animals.
      Woah, steady on.... I don't think that Charity shops are really the place to be carrying out experiments of any kind. They don't really look sanitary enough if you ask me

      Buying something from a charity shop is akin to making a straight donation. If you have a moral objection to that charity, then I don't think you have any other choice but not to buy from those shops.
      Matt Hero

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      • #4
        Originally posted by [b
        Quote[/b] (van Otterloo @ 19 July 2003,07:30)]However, if you walked past one of them and saw through the window a huge pile of library LPs, could you resist tempatation and walk past?!
        yeah, i've often thought about this, and the answer is always, no way would i buy them, everytime i went to play one of them i'd feel guilty, also if anybody is interested in getting a booklet called 'compassionate shopping guide', which covers this issue and many more (beware, it will change your life) here's the website address. www.naturewatch.org
        I want to go to the land of ooog!

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        • #5
          Yes I agree that vivisection is a cruel practice but I also think it IS needed in some cases.

          They are developing life saving drugs and if testing on animals speeds up this process then I have to say I am for this.

          I have a very good friend who has cancer AND is a vegetarian. She had to overcome a great moral problem - Take drugs tested on animals or possibly die.

          Thankfully she chose the latter and I don't blame her.

          Its not as if the British Heart Foundation sink all their money into animal testing either - The money for that record could go to the wages of the staff, shop rent - funding the london to brighton bike ride and countless other non research related areas.

          I totally respect your beliefs mr monster and if the guilt really gets to you then of course don't donate to those charities.

          Living by the ethical handbook is something I've dabbled in - moving to a bank less corrupt (Its a dream to think no bank is) etc etc. I think it's all something we can do but not donating to charities is something I couldnt.

          I would like to think what the dr in the house - Raj Mann thinks.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by [b
            Quote[/b] (sermad @ 19 July 2003,10:57)]Yes I agree that vivisection is a cruel practice but I also think it IS needed in some cases.

            They are developing life saving drugs and if testing on animals speeds up this process then I have to say I am for this.
            That&#39;s a myth. There&#39;s no animal with the same genetic make up as a human and every animal (including humans) can react differently to any drug. Animal experiments exist because it&#39;s the only way these big corporations can convince anyone that their drugs are safe. But then those drugs often aren&#39;t safe and often have very damaging side effects.

            Thalidomide was a drug &#39;proven&#39; to be safe using animal experiments and look at the damage that did. The experiments are easily riggable anyway because if a drug has negative effects on one animal you just switch to another. White mice are used heavily not because they closely resemble humans genetically in any way but because they&#39;re cheap. It&#39;s all a scam and as ever it&#39;s all about money.

            Anyway, rant over. I always try to be cautious about who I give my money to but there&#39;s no way you can escape funding evil shit. My taxes fund wars I am totally against and much of what I buy is made in some sweat shop or some oppressive regime but if I chose not to support that I lose my computer, my sampler, etc which I am not prepared to do. I&#39;ll carry on giving my money to these charities because I&#39;m sure that the good they do far outweighs the bad.

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            • #7
              What a crock of horseshit.


              I&#39;m slicing open my avatar tomorrow to see if I can find a vaccination rubbish threads like this...
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              • #8
                thanks for your intelligent replies guys.

                why are the comments a crock of horseshit &amp; why is this thread rubbish nick?

                look forward to your reply
                I want to go to the land of ooog!

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                • #9
                  Maybe if you found a stack of library LPs in a charity shop you had boycotted, you could buy the albums, and then donate the same amount of money again to a cause you believe in? And maybe the same amount again to ANOTHER good cause, since donating once would only be cancelling out the harm done by buying them in the first place.

                  Yup, paying for the records three times over is the moral solution
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by [b
                    Quote[/b] (Nick Cope @ 19 July 2003,11:19)]What a crock of horseshit.


                    I&#39;m slicing open my avatar tomorrow to see if I can find a vaccination rubbish threads like this...
                    is this turning into the deepfunk board?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by [b
                      Quote[/b] (Mr Divine @ 19 July 2003,12:55)]Maybe if you found a stack of library LPs in a charity shop you had boycotted, you could buy the albums, and then donate the same amount of money again to a cause you believe in? And maybe the same amount again to ANOTHER good cause, since donating once would only be cancelling out the harm done by buying them in the first place.

                      Yup, paying for the records three times over is the moral solution  
                      that had crossed my mind mr divine, but for now i&#39;m sticking to my boycott of unethical charities.
                      I want to go to the land of ooog!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by [b
                        Quote[/b] (happy monster @ 19 July 2003,11:43)]thanks for your intelligent replies guys.

                        why are the comments a crock of horseshit &amp; why is this thread rubbish nick?

                        look forward to your reply
                        &quot;That&#39;s a myth. There&#39;s no animal with the same genetic make up as a human and every animal (including humans) can react differently to any drug.&quot;

                        That bit&#39;s the crock and revolving every aspect of society around looking for records is rubbish. Feeling a bit arguementative today...
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                        • #13
                          It&#39;s a &#39;crock&#39; based on what? I&#39;ve been a vegetarian for seven years and I&#39;ve read a fair amount on this subject. If what I&#39;ve read is wrong then I&#39;d appreciate knowing what evidence there is to prove it wrong.

                          PS If you&#39;re feeling argumentative then where&#39;s your argument?

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                          • #14
                            Feeling arguementative but don&#39;t feel like getting into one...

                            But there are obviously parts of the human genome that are similar enough to other speicies to allow research using them. Sure, pharmaceutcial companies need and should be reigned in to prevent their interests superceeding the public&#39;s - but you get that with every aspect of business, that&#39;s why it&#39;s called business. But of course you need some degree of animal experiments, to say otherwise is naive and I really can&#39;t bothered to argue further, sorry. No disrespect intended as it&#39;s something you clearly care about, I however don&#39;t - not as much as you anyway...
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                            • #15
                              To help aleviate my shady behaviour today, may I bring attention to this night they have going at the Jaguar Shoes bar in Shoreditch called something like &quot;all records 99p&quot; - DJs have ten quid to go buy tunes and then play them at the bar, you have to show receipts etc and all the records are for sale and all proceeds go to charity...

                              Surely someone from here should go down there and show em how its really done...
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