Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

November 2015 finds

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #16
    Its bonkers the amount of money and time that was thrown at artists in the 70's for studio time etc. I love all those mojo 'Classic Album' shows where they show you what went into the production of said album. I'm not a fan of it as such but the one on 'Bat out of Hell' (or was it a radio doc) was particularly interesting and made me appreciate the work that went into it.

    EDIT: Re: Queen having watched the making of 'A Night at the Opera' I'll confirm EMI must have given them an open bank account with a never ending supply of funds!
    Last edited by amidar; 04-11-2015, 09:57 AM.
    Mixes, Music: https://www.mixcloud.com/amitron_7/

    Music: https://blackmoofou.bandcamp.com/

    Videos: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCL1...bw92ZSjvLMZKlQ

    Latest Infant Project: https://soundcloud.com/bcmf

    Comment


    • #17
      Originally posted by Sonovox View Post


      Thanks for the interesting perspective. I believe there is a bit of a leap between what you are describing - a record label investing in 'long game' and/or investing in upcoming talent - and what I perceived you were saying in terms of the deliberate overseeing of the direction / style of these artists to ensure they were targeted at specific audience niches. The fact that Kate Bush blew her advance on mime lessons seems more illustrative of her, um, orthogonality than it is of cunning svengali machinations.
      I don't see there's necessarily a contradiction between the two ideas - remember this was THE HEIGHT of the record industry and the stakes were very high indeed. EMI Records was but one small branch of a multinational that also made stereos, TVs, cookers and weapons systems, and we should view them in light of that.

      Certainly the acts they adopted long term (Queen, Kate Bush) had talent and ability, that's beyond dispute, and EMI indeed lavished money upon them, but it would be naive to think that they weren't watching every move their charges made - great deliberation preceded much of what occurred and little was spontaneous as I hinted in my original post. Queen's first tour supporting Mott The Hoople was carefully chosen to put them precisely in the spotlight of the thinking man's glam (EMI also harboured something of a fear of CBS UK and their growing influence) - and Freddie and the boys didn't just run into Zandra Rhodes down Kensington Market one afternoon either. And what was the first pop video of any note that anyone took notice of? I bet you can even remember how much it cost to make...

      The lyrics of Kate Bush's 'Them Heavy People' reveal something of her own transformation in the hands of the EMI sparkle machine; they wouldn't have just let her 'blow' her advance on tuition from Lindsay Kemp, they would have noted Kemp's influence on Bowie and his stagecraft and actively encouraged her to follow - they would have realised the all-important need then for artists to have 'credibility','depth' and something interesting to say in interviews - it's not too much of a stretch to imagine that someone in artist development might indeed have given her Gurdjieff to read. 'Them heavy people help me...' The long interval between Kate Bush signing to EMI and the issue of her first recordings was no accident. If she was ever 'orthogonal' I can only imagine it was while doing the splits in dance class....

      While not a 'hit factory' in the way we like to think of that idea, and without a single identifiable svengali, EMI would have employed a small army to ensure the success of their charges. The interesting thing is that this kind of labour intensive approach often meant they found themselves playing catch up in a rapidly moving music scene. Geordie were a late response to Slade, Pilot a poor man's 10cc and whether he realised it or not, Steve Harley & Cockney Rebel slotted very conveniently (if again, a little late) into that tricky Roxy/Mott/Bowie/Sparks arena - we still don't know what The Alan Parsons Project was a response to, but it must have been a very stupid question...

      Short term signings were equally an option - 'They love Queen - let's put Mr Big in as their support and see if they'll swallow that too!...no?...alright, get rid...'

      I recently watched a very revealing documentary about ABBA, or more to the point about the styling and establishment of a brand identity for ABBA shown on Channel 5 (yes!) that demonstrated clearly the kind of attention to detail given to these matters in the 70s - if you think I'm exaggerating any of this you should watch it - as I said - THE HEIGHT of the record industry...

      So yes, I think these artists were good, I enjoyed their records, I believe they had unique and individual talents - I also realise they were part of a multimillion dollar business that inevitably affected the way they were conceived, perceived and received and that they were styled, shaped and marketed by a legion of people - and I have no real qualms about any of this - this approach did 'shoot spontaneity stone dead on sight' but maybe that wasn't always a bad thing.

      Consider this - had Kate Bush signed to any other label than EMI at a time when, frankly, the prevailing view was that the 'sensitive female singer-songwriter' phenomenon had peaked and was a bit passe, would she now have greater stature than say, Jaki Whitren or Lindsey Duncan? I know what I think...
      you can hear colours when they rhyme...

      Comment


      • #18
        Originally posted by giantchicken View Post
        Cheers Treeboy - that was pretty much the strategy I'd decided on - I've certainly no need for 'Gillan era' stuff or other aberrations - although is there a decent early live album, I wonder? I see myself as an occasional Sabbath user too but would like to explore beyond the obvious tracks a little - serves me right, should have bought them when you couldn't give them away - now I can't find them!
        Sabotage.

        Really, Sabotage.

        Paranoid is obviously also good, but it's a bit too obvious.

        My top four would be:

        Sabotage
        Paranoid
        First S/T
        Masters of reality

        To me, these are their top albums. The rest (vol 4, sabbath bloody sabbath) is a bit less.

        Sabbath without Ozzy isn't really sabbath.

        Comment


        • #19
          Originally posted by Mescal View Post
          Sabbath without Ozzy isn't really sabbath.
          Thanks for your recommendations Mescal - I shall keep them in mind. A bit too busy with other things right now (work, football, minor health issues, reassessing the machinations of EMI records in the mid-70s etc.) to be fully on the case, but it's on the list. Work did actually 'coincidentally' take me right to the door of Sifters Records again yesterday, but it seems I cleaned them out by buying the 'Greatest Hits'. I fully agree with your views on Ozzy though - no Ozzy = no Sabbath.
          you can hear colours when they rhyme...

          Comment


          • #20
            I've recently reassessed 'Never Say Die' as I remembered liking the title track and its not as bad as its made out to be, bit of a mess though, although I like some of its proggyness despite its 80's heavy metal production despite being 79 I think. Funny how peoples Sabbs top 5's are different 'Sabbath Bloody Sabbath' is probably 2 or 3 for me. I first discovered them as my mother owned the first one and the cover used to creep me out no end as a kid that combined with the Op Art swirl got me interested later on in life.

            I'm like the chicken I've owned originals of all of them, renounced my love for them and got rid, no chance of getting originals now, do pick up a later press here and the last one was 'Sabotage' as it goes.

            I love this 'Bob Marley' anecdote re: Never Say Die here and Bill Wards dreads ha-ha:

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never_...ops_appearance

            Originally posted by Mescal View Post
            Sabotage.

            Really, Sabotage.

            Paranoid is obviously also good, but it's a bit too obvious.

            My top four would be:

            Sabotage
            Paranoid
            First S/T
            Masters of reality

            To me, these are their top albums. The rest (vol 4, sabbath bloody sabbath) is a bit less.

            Sabbath without Ozzy isn't really sabbath.
            Last edited by amidar; 04-11-2015, 09:59 AM. Reason: later on not later one!
            Mixes, Music: https://www.mixcloud.com/amitron_7/

            Music: https://blackmoofou.bandcamp.com/

            Videos: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCL1...bw92ZSjvLMZKlQ

            Latest Infant Project: https://soundcloud.com/bcmf

            Comment


            • #21
              Ros Bandt – Improvisations in Acoustic Chambers. NM/Ex+ (slight damage to spine). $30

              Bought this morning.

              As it says on the sleeve. Some with conventional instruments. All but one unprocessed. Three tracks involve a collaborator. Four if you include the track that features a passing dog (Side 2 track 5 – it is called “Dog”).

              The chambers in question were a water tank and a grain silo.

              All a bit moody and formless. Go for “Bamboo Flute” (Side 1 track 1) if you want a conventionally pretty lead in. “Dog” also has a more conventional feel. She used a bass recorder and slowed down the replay.

              The record is clearly a known quantity. Two people on discogs say that they have it. Fifty plus say that they want it. No sales on discogs.

              “Dog” might feature on an Xmas swap CD, if I can get my act together.
              Last edited by Funktionnaire; 06-11-2015, 09:25 AM. Reason: Floydian slip - the title is "Dog"

              Comment


              • #22
                Originally posted by giantchicken View Post
                we still don't know what The Alan Parsons Project was a response to, but it must have been a very stupid question...

                Comment


                • #23
                  What with a thread dedicated to him and now this I detect a distinct lack of Parsons love on this board.

                  Wooaah there!





                  Originally posted by SirSlim View Post
                  Mixes, Music: https://www.mixcloud.com/amitron_7/

                  Music: https://blackmoofou.bandcamp.com/

                  Videos: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCL1...bw92ZSjvLMZKlQ

                  Latest Infant Project: https://soundcloud.com/bcmf

                  Comment


                  • #24
                    I have picked up a few nice things in the charity shops so far this week including this lovely old record box
                    which the kind old lady behind the counter said "oh, you can have that as we were going to throw it out anyway"
                    but when I told her it still had some records in it she said "well you can have it for a pound then" which was nice.








                    The 78's inside turned out to be quite nice, some by the Folk Dance Band others by the Folk Dance Orchestra
                    as well as several titled Music For Movement which are the 78rpm versions of the old schools records that were
                    played in PE class to get kids up and dancing about. I have a few music for schools LP's and 7"s but these are
                    by far the oldest examples I have come across.






                    Also in the same shop were some 7"s which were wrapped in 1970's wallpaper sleeves!
                    I was pleased with this one as it's a tourists disc issued by some Yugoslavian coach company,
                    I so wanted it to be either Everyone Back To The Bus from an early TV memory of mine or the Italian Job Theme
                    but it's actually this









                    I was a bit perplexed by the vinyl filing system at the Age Concern warehouse,
                    perhaps some records shouldn't be left quite so close to others.






                    This old boy ought to know better too as he was 62 when this was released just before he died in 1963.






                    Next to it was a soundtrack from 1967 by another fella with a dubious past.




                    Thankfully in the same box was this LP by someone with an unblemished career, a 1980 record by Princess Grace.






                    The Animal Sanctuary turned up a couple of Christian albums including one by The Genesis
                    and an oddly titled album by these 5 lasses.







                    Also in the same shop was an unplayed copy of a late 60's album by Johnny Nash

                    The Garden Facebook Blog

                    Comment


                    • #25
                      Thanks again to Amidar, Milesago, Mescal and Treeboy for their sage advice on which Sabbath album to buy - I'll see if I can get to an actual record shop that might have some this weekend and see if I can score a bargain, but failing that I've identified a number of new reissues online that would keep me within budget - luckily, I'm not fussed about first presses, Vertigo swirls or all that nonsense - the tunes alone will do for me - I'll keep you posted...
                      you can hear colours when they rhyme...

                      Comment


                      • #26
                        Probably a good move GC.
                        Everyone tear down your own little wall
                        That keeps you from being a part of it all
                        Because you've got to be one with the one and all
                        You've just got to be close to it all

                        Comment


                        • #27
                          Originally posted by giantchicken View Post
                          Thanks again to Amidar, Milesago, Mescal and Treeboy for their sage advice on which Sabbath album to buy - I'll see if I can get to an actual record shop that might have some this weekend and see if I can score a bargain, but failing that I've identified a number of new reissues online that would keep me within budget - luckily, I'm not fussed about first presses, Vertigo swirls or all that nonsense - the tunes alone will do for me - I'll keep you posted...
                          It's rare to see Sabbath albums in the wild. They are pounced upon immediately unless they have an insane price tag. Not talking about reissues then.
                          I only have Black Sabbath and Sabotage, and they serve me well. I'd like to get the others of the first 6, but not going out of my way.

                          It's been fairly quiet the last couple of weeks with the car boot season winding down. Maybe this was the final good car boot find of the year:


                          Travolta Kids - Det känns okej
                          After starting out in the KBD punk style, they turned more towards powerpop in 1979. I think this 7" is one of the better efforts in Swedish punkpowerpop.

                          My lunchtime dig usually supplies a few interesting finds, this was one ogf the better ones:



                          Midsommar
                          Better known for debut Belsebub är lös, this proggy outfit for some reason released their followup on budget label Moondisc, whose main output was knock-off hits compilations. As a result the sleeve is printed on thin cheap cardboard, all copies I've seen have been seriously ringworn, and damaged by multiple overlapping sale price-sticker seals (19:95 SEK > 14:95 SEK > 9:95 SEK). This one was almost OK. The record is a bit of a letdown, lyrics are mostly awkward and the songs and playing not up to scratch. I have to admit that this went onto discogs fairly quick (and off).
                          Family is new to me, I can see some people having problem with Roger Chapman's vocals, but I like it. Will seek out more.
                          Udo & Francoise is of course Jürgens and Hardy. No collaboration, just seems to be some random compilation of 1967-68 material, with Hardy doing two songs in German.
                          ------------------------------------------------------
                          "This is Modpowerpopsouljunkierock´n´roll so stop post shit like Jethro Tull, Pink Floyd, Grace Jones , Led Zeppelin and some other boring blues stuff, that kind of music don´t belong in this group, if I´ll ever see shit like that posted in this group again that person will be banned from this group forever!!!!"

                          Comment


                          • #28
                            Originally posted by cratedigger View Post
                            Family is new to me, I can see some people having problem with Roger Chapman's vocals, but I like it. Will seek out more.
                            I know what you mean about Roger Chapman's vocals, but I like them too. Music in a Doll's House is a fantastic record if you come across it. It can be had reasonably cheap with patience.
                            ...if in doubt consult your dealer.

                            Comment


                            • #29
                              Originally posted by giantchicken View Post
                              Thanks again to Amidar, Milesago, Mescal and Treeboy for their sage advice on which Sabbath album to buy - I'll see if I can get to an actual record shop that might have some this weekend and see if I can score a bargain, but failing that I've identified a number of new reissues online that would keep me within budget - luckily, I'm not fussed about first presses, Vertigo swirls or all that nonsense - the tunes alone will do for me - I'll keep you posted...
                              Think I have doubles of sabbath bloody sabbath, never played it and until I get home unsure of condition
                              Send me a pm if you wanna trade it and I'll have a look when I get home

                              Comment


                              • #30
                                Originally posted by BlackRegent View Post
                                I know what you mean about Roger Chapman's vocals, but I like them too. Music in a Doll's House is a fantastic record if you come across it. It can be had reasonably cheap with patience.
                                Amen to that. Fantastic lp. Don't get me going on the 1st single Love the early Family stuff. I knew a chap who used to go to see bands in London in the late 60s and he saw "everyone". He maintains that Family were the best live act he ever saw, and I think he saw them quite a lot too. Lucky fella
                                Everyone tear down your own little wall
                                That keeps you from being a part of it all
                                Because you've got to be one with the one and all
                                You've just got to be close to it all

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X